APA: Line will be held on scope
10-09-2014 | 04:11 PM
#11
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From: MD-11 FO
Keep in mind Parker and cronies are very good at getting pilots whipped up over something they have no intention of really getting, that is an emotional trigger for us...
.....and screwing pilots over while they are focused on the hocus-pocus.
#1 Work Rules/Scheduling!
Health Insurance
Retirement
Pay
Note, pay is last. A lot more quality of life and total compensation in a package can come from not spending butt-wads of political capital on a fancy-pants pay rate.
#1 for me are work rules and scheduling. FAR117 totally hosed pilots over, so we have to get those old FAR protections back, and rigs, and scheduling flexibility.
None of us are getting any younger, and I for one don't want to give up being there for my son and wife while getting a crummy schedule that I can't get days off to go to a baseball game.
We already have the scope, and I trust the APA when they say scope relief is a non-starter.
So, on with item #1 above!
I'm telling ya legacy AA guys now, Parker and cronies want TOTAL control over your lives while at work, and off of work. If they had their way, 100% of all pilots would be at the airport, in uniform, with an earpiece so they can deploy you at will.
We MUST get control over our schedules now before it's too late with these people.
As a perspective, Parker and crew have gotten used to scheduling being above the chief pilots office in our chain of command, even though scheduling is not on our org chart!
.....and screwing pilots over while they are focused on the hocus-pocus.
#1 Work Rules/Scheduling!
Health Insurance
Retirement
Pay
Note, pay is last. A lot more quality of life and total compensation in a package can come from not spending butt-wads of political capital on a fancy-pants pay rate.
#1 for me are work rules and scheduling. FAR117 totally hosed pilots over, so we have to get those old FAR protections back, and rigs, and scheduling flexibility.
None of us are getting any younger, and I for one don't want to give up being there for my son and wife while getting a crummy schedule that I can't get days off to go to a baseball game.
We already have the scope, and I trust the APA when they say scope relief is a non-starter.
So, on with item #1 above!
I'm telling ya legacy AA guys now, Parker and cronies want TOTAL control over your lives while at work, and off of work. If they had their way, 100% of all pilots would be at the airport, in uniform, with an earpiece so they can deploy you at will.
We MUST get control over our schedules now before it's too late with these people.
As a perspective, Parker and crew have gotten used to scheduling being above the chief pilots office in our chain of command, even though scheduling is not on our org chart!
We need to flip beyond Section 3 in the CBA! So much money can be made from soft time and work rules. Our quality of life can be exponentially better with decent work rules!
10-09-2014 | 04:27 PM
#12
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I agree with everything but the being at the airport in uniform part. On the East they are allowed to have "hot reserve or airport ready reserve" but the company choses not to utilize it. We need to get that language removed!!
10-09-2014 | 07:39 PM
#13
Meh...
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From: Nunya
I don't know about you guys, but I have no intention of killing myself working to death, for what? A corporation??
No thanks. We ain't bankers, this ain't no 9 to 5. We do shift work and we spend our time "at work" eating sucky food sleeping in sucky hotels. Even the "ooohh glamorous" international flying (see PS) is very hard on the body and we spend tons of time away, totally away from our families. We can't drop by the grocery store for milk at the end of the day or take a lunch break going to the bank or doing errands.
Work rules.
Healthcare.
Retirement.
Pay.
I hope the APA does a survey to see where to spend the most effort. Pay rates aren't all they are cracked up to be.
PS:
If pay rates were the same across fleets, watch how quickly international/shiny big aircraft goes Jr.
10-09-2014 | 09:10 PM
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I go down to the crew room on my productivity breaks and I have a hard time finding an open chair to take a rest in.
10-10-2014 | 05:04 AM
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True, but trust me not the same thing. If you have never worked at a place who regularly uses hot reserve you have no idea. Like 10 hour shifts two to three times a week and all you are paid is perdiem that is taxed. Ive done it. The hot reserve language needs to go..
10-10-2014 | 07:41 AM
#16
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Here's another rumor for the mill:
I was jumpseating on a PSA airplane and they said Kirby apparently mentioned that if they can't get bigger airplanes at the regionals, they might consider folding one of the Wholly-Owneds into the mainline...that they are very concerned about staffing down the road.
That's obviously all rumor, but in my opinion, I think bringing the larger RJs to the mainline would alleviate a lot of their staffing concerns, and they could much more easily "right size" the fleet if they wanted a lot more 81 seat airplanes running around. Keep our outsourced flying limited to the 50-seat RJs and the Dashs.
I was jumpseating on a PSA airplane and they said Kirby apparently mentioned that if they can't get bigger airplanes at the regionals, they might consider folding one of the Wholly-Owneds into the mainline...that they are very concerned about staffing down the road.
That's obviously all rumor, but in my opinion, I think bringing the larger RJs to the mainline would alleviate a lot of their staffing concerns, and they could much more easily "right size" the fleet if they wanted a lot more 81 seat airplanes running around. Keep our outsourced flying limited to the 50-seat RJs and the Dashs.
10-10-2014 | 08:47 AM
#18
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From: A320 F/O
Ready reserve, as airport standby was called at my commuter, tended to actually go senior.
It was a bid line just like our R and S blocks are. There were days/times assigned just like short call here. Example 4am-12pm, 8 hour shifts with 4 hours min pay for the day (really it was a 2:1 duty rig that paid). Any time you were assigned a trip that ended past 12 pm you were essentially going over guarantee because you were paid on duty per day.
I bid it as a commuter because the first line would start at 12pm-8am then an 8 hour rest period then 4am-12pm ending at 12 pm on your last day. It was completely commutable on both sides, and you never once had to talk to scheduling. I also flew very little.
It was also popular with guys who lived close to base because you could sit at home. It was a 10 min call-back period so you just had to be ready to jump when they called. Instead of sitting at the airport, most of the time I slept at my pad.
It felt like a real job, because you only had to "work" 8 hours a day. We had our own ready reserve room sectioned off from the main crew room, with recliners and a TV/video gaming system (it was after all, the commuters) and most guys brought their laptops. Generally you'd sleep till about 10:30-11:00am then wander around an hour then go home if you stayed at the airport.
Really a super cush gig, especially for those who lived nearby. If I lived near the airport, I wouldn't have bid anything else. That being said, our S reserves hardly work here so there isn't much incentive at this point to bid a hot reserve block if it even existed.
Now, converting an R or S reserve to hot deserve would be BS. The only way it should exist in the company's bag of tricks is dedicated lines of it.
It was a bid line just like our R and S blocks are. There were days/times assigned just like short call here. Example 4am-12pm, 8 hour shifts with 4 hours min pay for the day (really it was a 2:1 duty rig that paid). Any time you were assigned a trip that ended past 12 pm you were essentially going over guarantee because you were paid on duty per day.
I bid it as a commuter because the first line would start at 12pm-8am then an 8 hour rest period then 4am-12pm ending at 12 pm on your last day. It was completely commutable on both sides, and you never once had to talk to scheduling. I also flew very little.
It was also popular with guys who lived close to base because you could sit at home. It was a 10 min call-back period so you just had to be ready to jump when they called. Instead of sitting at the airport, most of the time I slept at my pad.
It felt like a real job, because you only had to "work" 8 hours a day. We had our own ready reserve room sectioned off from the main crew room, with recliners and a TV/video gaming system (it was after all, the commuters) and most guys brought their laptops. Generally you'd sleep till about 10:30-11:00am then wander around an hour then go home if you stayed at the airport.
Really a super cush gig, especially for those who lived nearby. If I lived near the airport, I wouldn't have bid anything else. That being said, our S reserves hardly work here so there isn't much incentive at this point to bid a hot reserve block if it even existed.
Now, converting an R or S reserve to hot deserve would be BS. The only way it should exist in the company's bag of tricks is dedicated lines of it.
10-10-2014 | 03:53 PM
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Go ahead and fall for mgmt. deception once again.
Flow is a pilot recruiting and retention tool - works good lasts a long time - pilots never pay attention to the man behind the curtain anyway.
NOW THE PHANTOM PROMISE OF A REGIONAL FOLDED INTO AA.
Only about a dozen candidates out there. GEE what kind of mileage are they going to get out of this???
Flow is a pilot recruiting and retention tool - works good lasts a long time - pilots never pay attention to the man behind the curtain anyway.
NOW THE PHANTOM PROMISE OF A REGIONAL FOLDED INTO AA.
Only about a dozen candidates out there. GEE what kind of mileage are they going to get out of this???
10-10-2014 | 05:14 PM
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From: Airbus button pusher
Go ahead and fall for mgmt. deception once again.
Flow is a pilot recruiting and retention tool - works good lasts a long time - pilots never pay attention to the man behind the curtain anyway.
NOW THE PHANTOM PROMISE OF A REGIONAL FOLDED INTO AA.
Only about a dozen candidates out there. GEE what kind of mileage are they going to get out of this???
Flow is a pilot recruiting and retention tool - works good lasts a long time - pilots never pay attention to the man behind the curtain anyway.
NOW THE PHANTOM PROMISE OF A REGIONAL FOLDED INTO AA.
Only about a dozen candidates out there. GEE what kind of mileage are they going to get out of this???
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