Originally Posted by flyinawa

As an FO, I had the misfortune of failing to confirm V-speeds after a runway change. The captain was a long time 737 pilot who was new to the Airbus. We had completed the checklist in a 319 and still had a long taxi out to reach the departure runway. Unexpectedly, if we could accept an "immediate", we were offered a quicker departure on the longer parallel just as we were about to taxi by its access turn. We accepted it and I quickly changed the flight plan to show the newly assigned runway. He set power and off we went. DING! FLEX NOT SET. Oops, my mistake.. "Set TOGA". As we approached about 110KIAS, I blurted out that I hadn't set the v speeds and the Captain calmly said, "Continue". Around 140 he said something to the effect of, "Let's rotate to liftoff attitude and see if it's ready to fly"....and it did. No panic. No freaking out. He added about 10 additional knots and flew up to 1000' thrust reduction altitude and commenced normal Ops from that point. I starting apologizing profusely for my poor job and he said, "No big deal. It was my fault for not rerunning the checklist. Now we both know what it looks like when that happens and what to do." ....which is BE A PILOT AND FLY THE DAMN AIRPLANE. Contrary to what the training department might lead you to believe, the Airbus flies by the same laws of aerodynamics as the rat trap 152 you flew in on day one of private pilot flight training. It doesn't matter what side of the Mississippi they were based on, the pilots screwed it up. We should be running the scenario in the sim so everyone can see what it looks like and what to do about it rather than making up stories about blown tires and focusing on covering it up.

Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle

Are you sure about that. I thought the plane was screaming "Retard".. "Retard".. "Retard" as if it was in the landing phase. I was also told the FO was doing the takeoff and may have cracked the power back at the automated command before the captain took over control, thus causing the plane to settle some before the captain took the plane.

Regardless the AB has so much automated computer programming geeks crap tied into it that it is no wonder it occasionally tries to Fk with you, and you have to reestablish who the F the boss is. I have talked to a number of pilots that have had to shove it to TOGA to take control of that JetLike substitute Frog product.

But hey, it is an awesome cubicle in the sky, even if it constantly resists being a plane.

Originally Posted by ShyGuy

The Airbus did exactly what it was supposed to do. If the pilots didn't know that, then it's a training issue. You can't really blame the plane when it did exactly what it is supposed to do in that situation. Aborting it once airborne is crazy. TOGA and 10 deg pitch. Once it looks like it's climbing, TOGA and 15 degrees. Just like the unreliable airspeed procedure, if you will.

Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle

I'm glad a 737 pilot calmed you down. Did you break sterile cockpit to apologize?

Originally Posted by wrxpilot

You clearly didn't read and/or comprehend his post. He comes across very humble, and has some great points how he was part of a crew in a very similar situation.

I find it odd you are so defensive about this, to the point of making irrational statements...

Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle

You are obviously a much better pilot and should be very very proud of how much better you are.

Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs

Common sense boss. It's an airplane..........

Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle

You are obviously a much better pilot and should be very very proud of how much better you are.

Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle

I'm glad a 737 pilot calmed you down. Did you break sterile cockpit to apologize?

Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle

Sure it did what it is programmed to do, but no pencil necked geek could program every possible eventuality into the plan.. but some dum_bass programmer (or maybe five different programmers) decided to display a low speed warning in writing to set TOGA but a high speed verbal warning to RETARD the thrust. Now we do high speed rejects for Eng Fire, Eng Failure, Wind Sheer, or FO FK_UP.

We have a new procedure. Why would that be? I wonder how many people were trained on the new procedure before it became the new procedure? Hmmmm...

I don't mind if you want to defend the AB. It's thrust levers are asynchronous to the aircraft thrust. Its control surfaces are asynchronous to the control surface actuator. The AB can initiate a nose down attitude that cannot be overridden by the pilot without emergency procedure intervention.... I could go on, but its a nice cubicle to work in and I don't ever intend to go back to Boeing.

Originally Posted by flyinawa

As an FO, I had the misfortune of failing to confirm V-speeds after a runway change. The captain was a long time 737 pilot who was new to the Airbus. We had completed the checklist in a 319 and still had a long taxi out to reach the departure runway. Unexpectedly, if we could accept an "immediate", we were offered a quicker departure on the longer parallel just as we were about to taxi by its access turn. We accepted it and I quickly changed the flight plan to show the newly assigned runway. He set power and off we went. DING! FLEX NOT SET. Oops, my mistake.. "Set TOGA". As we approached about 110KIAS, I blurted out that I hadn't set the v speeds and the Captain calmly said, "Continue". Around 140 he said something to the effect of, "Let's rotate to liftoff attitude and see if it's ready to fly"....and it did. No panic. No freaking out. He added about 10 additional knots and flew up to 1000' thrust reduction altitude and commenced normal Ops from that point. I starting apologizing profusely for my poor job and he said, "No big deal. It was my fault for not rerunning the checklist. Now we both know what it looks like when that happens and what to do." ....which is BE A PILOT AND FLY THE DAMN AIRPLANE. Contrary to what the training department might lead you to believe, the Airbus flies by the same laws of aerodynamics as the rat trap 152 you flew in on day one of private pilot flight training. It doesn't matter what side of the Mississippi they were based on, the pilots screwed it up. We should be running the scenario in the sim so everyone can see what it looks like and what to do about it rather than making up stories about blown tires and focusing on covering it up.

Originally Posted by flyinawa

Yes and yes.



My point saying he was a 737 pilot was showing he had very little time in an Airbus...and yet he was still able to function as a pilot and fly the aircraft safely.



Typical of the new breed of pilots. You choose to fly the Airbus because it's a "nice cubicle" but you really don't understand how or why it works the way it does nor do you have any interest in learning. I hope you never experience any sort of situation that puts you outside of your box. You've made it very clear you'll have absolutely no idea how to respond unless somebody holds your hand through a procedure.