APA Neg. Committee JCBA presentation
01-18-2015, 05:26 AM
#71
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Very good point, One Terrorist attack away from this all going away.
History repeats itself, How many years have the Airliines been profitable?
Do you think the Airlines will make be making Billions for the rest of your careers?
AAG is fresh out of BR and Par-Kirby have a MOU passed by this pilot group for the benefit of the Creditors. Par-Kirby have the best lawyers and have the cost neutral arbitrators paid. Voting No is an unknown result. For USAirways pilots do you think the Company is going to have a two divisions on the A320? The Green Book will most likely never be implemented on the USAirways system. This Airline may be separate for many more years. APA sealed our future with the MOU and giving away Profit Sharing. I will most likely vote yes, for those of you who are gamblers vote no. "Greed always makes you poorer".
History repeats itself, How many years have the Airliines been profitable?
Do you think the Airlines will make be making Billions for the rest of your careers?
AAG is fresh out of BR and Par-Kirby have a MOU passed by this pilot group for the benefit of the Creditors. Par-Kirby have the best lawyers and have the cost neutral arbitrators paid. Voting No is an unknown result. For USAirways pilots do you think the Company is going to have a two divisions on the A320? The Green Book will most likely never be implemented on the USAirways system. This Airline may be separate for many more years. APA sealed our future with the MOU and giving away Profit Sharing. I will most likely vote yes, for those of you who are gamblers vote no. "Greed always makes you poorer".
01-18-2015, 05:45 AM
#72
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Very good point, One Terrorist attack away from this all going away.
History repeats itself, How many years have the Airliines been profitable?
Do you think the Airlines will make be making Billions for the rest of your careers?
AAG is fresh out of BR and Par-Kirby have a MOU passed by this pilot group for the benefit of the Creditors. Par-Kirby have the best lawyers and have the cost neutral arbitrators paid. Voting No is an unknown result. For USAirways pilots do you think the Company is going to have a two divisions on the A320? The Green Book will most likely never be implemented on the USAirways system. This Airline may be separate for many more years. APA sealed our future with the MOU and giving away Profit Sharing. I will most likely vote yes, for those of you who are gamblers vote no. "Greed always makes you poorer".
History repeats itself, How many years have the Airliines been profitable?
Do you think the Airlines will make be making Billions for the rest of your careers?
AAG is fresh out of BR and Par-Kirby have a MOU passed by this pilot group for the benefit of the Creditors. Par-Kirby have the best lawyers and have the cost neutral arbitrators paid. Voting No is an unknown result. For USAirways pilots do you think the Company is going to have a two divisions on the A320? The Green Book will most likely never be implemented on the USAirways system. This Airline may be separate for many more years. APA sealed our future with the MOU and giving away Profit Sharing. I will most likely vote yes, for those of you who are gamblers vote no. "Greed always makes you poorer".
01-18-2015, 05:57 AM
#73
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I sure wouldn't hang my hat on the hopes that Republicans can somehow muster the votes to override the veto.
01-18-2015, 06:48 AM
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Yeah not really. If theres another terrorist attack between now and contract negotiations that will cripple the airline, those "guaranteed pay rates" in lieu of profit sharing will be gone. Either given up voluntarily by us or taken away by a judge. You've been in this business long enough to know that.
You guys that are voting YES, why not just say "i want the money so im voting yes". At least you're being honest and thats respectable. The BS reasoning thats being used by you guys that have been in this business for 20+ years is laughable. You know better
01-18-2015, 07:26 AM
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Yeah not really. If theres another terrorist attack between now and contract negotiations that will cripple the airline, those "guaranteed pay rates" in lieu of profit sharing will be gone. Either given up voluntarily by us or taken away by a judge. You've been in this business long enough to know that.
You guys that are voting YES, why not just say "i want the money so im voting yes". At least you're being honest and thats respectable. The BS reasoning thats being used by you guys that have been in this business for 20+ years is laughable. You know better
You guys that are voting YES, why not just say "i want the money so im voting yes". At least you're being honest and thats respectable. The BS reasoning thats being used by you guys that have been in this business for 20+ years is laughable. You know better
01-18-2015, 08:08 AM
#76
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Because, 99% of the time they have to honor the contract. Your scenario of a terrorist attack or some other catastrophic event that would cripple the company will fall under the other 1%. I'm sure you're very familiar with force majeure. It's also in the contract. We've all already seen this movie. We know how it ends
01-18-2015, 09:17 AM
#77
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Very good point, One Terrorist attack away from this all going away.
History repeats itself, How many years have the Airliines been profitable?
Do you think the Airlines will make be making Billions for the rest of your careers?
AAG is fresh out of BR and Par-Kirby have a MOU passed by this pilot group for the benefit of the Creditors. Par-Kirby have the best lawyers and have the cost neutral arbitrators paid. Voting No is an unknown result. For USAirways pilots do you think the Company is going to have a two divisions on the A320? The Green Book will most likely never be implemented on the USAirways system. This Airline may be separate for many more years. APA sealed our future with the MOU and giving away Profit Sharing. I will most likely vote yes, for those of you who are gamblers vote no. "Greed always makes you poorer".
History repeats itself, How many years have the Airliines been profitable?
Do you think the Airlines will make be making Billions for the rest of your careers?
AAG is fresh out of BR and Par-Kirby have a MOU passed by this pilot group for the benefit of the Creditors. Par-Kirby have the best lawyers and have the cost neutral arbitrators paid. Voting No is an unknown result. For USAirways pilots do you think the Company is going to have a two divisions on the A320? The Green Book will most likely never be implemented on the USAirways system. This Airline may be separate for many more years. APA sealed our future with the MOU and giving away Profit Sharing. I will most likely vote yes, for those of you who are gamblers vote no. "Greed always makes you poorer".
01-19-2015, 02:50 AM
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We gain more jobs with hbt than we would from Dom and ing divisions. The divisions hurt quality of life because they restrict the ability to build trips. Another thing is that if they did split them it would have a very minor affect. We are talking maybe 20 spots airline wide.
01-19-2015, 04:00 AM
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I'm not sure why everyone keeps spinning their wheels on this topic.
The company from the beginning said it would create jobs.
APA hired a independent consultant to determine the effect and that is where the figure of 382 additional wide body CA and FO jobs came from.
If you need the exact formulation of how that was determined I suggest you ask your APA rep.
The company from the beginning said it would create jobs.
APA hired a independent consultant to determine the effect and that is where the figure of 382 additional wide body CA and FO jobs came from.
If you need the exact formulation of how that was determined I suggest you ask your APA rep.
01-19-2015, 06:40 AM
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The guaranteed job gain is zero. The 382 is an estimated potential gain. Basically 55 jobs per city pair.
The fix to any current trips would be to increase the trip length by one day(+24 hr layover). For some trips the pay increase would be zero and for other trips the estimate is under 30 minutes. So the 9 day $20,000 month becomes 12 days for $20,000. The more likely change is the 12 day $16,000 month becomes 16 days for $16,800.
Not saying the change will happen but those are the fixes if the company chooses to implement them.
The fix to any current trips would be to increase the trip length by one day(+24 hr layover). For some trips the pay increase would be zero and for other trips the estimate is under 30 minutes. So the 9 day $20,000 month becomes 12 days for $20,000. The more likely change is the 12 day $16,000 month becomes 16 days for $16,800.
Not saying the change will happen but those are the fixes if the company chooses to implement them.
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