Feng

I think as long as the membership understand the process, then no. Even if this whole process made the union look bad, I don't see how it would have any real world effect. Plus like all the airlines I've worked at, there's always a negativity towards the union anyways.

Just trust them

You make perfect logical sense to me. But then again, I see past the pay because it doesn't bait me like it does so many here.

Feng

One step at a time I would say. If the membership demand it, I don't see it not happening.

cactiboss

You have to use before tax numbers because that's how we get paid. So now average out how many trips you do that the rig would trigger, then compare those trips using mou pay and JCBA pay. Look at it like this for group 2 fo:
Mou pay: 10 hrs x $126= $1260
JCBA pay: 10 hrs x $155= $1550
Mou pay + 5:10 rig: 15:30 x $126= $1953

So you make $403 more per trip IF you vote this down and get min day 7 mos down the line. Now here's the kicker, less than 3% of the trips are affected by this rig! most guys never ever fly one and it won't affect reserves. So let's say you average one of these per month
12mosx $403=$4836

So the logic is give up 7 mos raise ( 560hrs x $30=$17 k + $2700 401k)$19.7 k and trade it for a potential $4800 benefit.
Now does that look like a good business deal? But wait it gets better, what do you think our chances are of getting the rig after arb? I'll be generous and give you 10%. You willing to bet $20k on a 10% chance to get $4800?

Feng

Look, my personal logic is that even with calendar day, it's not personally worth it for me. That's just me though.

But using what you just posted. 5K/year for the duration of the contract, 6years, is worth ~30K . PLUS, we don't have to give up anything next round to get it, what is that worth? Vs a 1 time potential loss of 20K.

I think the concessions are worth a lot more to them then it does to us thus it's worth gambling on. What the **** is 20K(half that after taxes) when I stand to make at least 800K in the next 6 years anyways

Just trust them

Good job with the calculator!

Now put it down, get back on your knees and shine Doug's shoes.

Remember, keep your ears open and report back. Don't bring the calculator.

PurpleTurtle

Pilots are irrational pessimists about their own actions and irrational optimists regarding the good will of management rush jobs, in the face of all simple history to the contrary. Short sighted individualists with mesmerizing dollar signs reflected in their pupils. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

cactiboss

Again those numbers are group 2 Fo only. If u upgrade that extra last year pays $30k more than Mou does just for 2019. Vote no, that's fine but I wanted to make sure you understood the real math.

justjack

I agree with you on all points.

Feng

Aren't we working on the assumption that with a no vote, we'll get the TA either way, as Parker stated, just with no retro 7 months later, or are you being dull on purpose?

Because if we weren't using that assumption, the numbers would be a heck of a lot more than just 30K. And of course you already knew that.

I feel like I'm debating logically and you're throwing bogus statements out there.