Delta group 1 vs AA group 1
 

In the sake of proper comparisons,

Delta E190 is in Group 1, as is AA.

Delta 717 is a Group 2 aircraft and should be compared with AA Group 2.

If AA was operating the 717, it too would be in Group 2. This was tried and tested when they attempted to stick the A319 (110-120 seats) into Group 1 and we flatly rejected it. It is now in group 2.

Just FYI for all the conspiracy theorists out there who are saying that Delta pilots are flying the 717 as a group 1 aircraft.

The Delta 717 rate is also the same as the DC-9. The -30/40/50 sat 100/110/125 if IIRC correct and all paid the same scale as the 717. So the only 100 seat airplane that Delta has had on property in the last 5 years would be considered group II.

Johnny,

Delta has an E190 (group 1) pay scale in their contract. Check it out and report back. That us what we should be comparing with.

Big difference is Delta has NO E190's and no plans to get them!!!

I know what you are saying. I was just trying to give the only "real world" 100 seat scenario I could think of. The Delta E190s are still somewhere off in Wonderland.

No "current" plans but things change.

And in the end, the 717 would also be in group 2 at AA. So overall I don't think comparing their 717 rates to our 190 rates is a valid comparison.

It's not you are 100% correct, it's a dumb thing to compare.

Would be like comparing a 777 rate to a 320 rate. Yes it's more, "duh".

Personally I'm glad we have RJs on property here, and hope it expands while downsizing the commuters.

Show me where it says the 717 is a group 2 plane at AA. It has 118 or less = Group 1.

AA pilots would have never accepted placing the 717 in Group 1. same scenario as when management tried putting the A319 in Group 1 with less seats. Not gonna happen. 717 would have been group 2 at AA: group 1 would have been redefined with less seats in order to accommodate the 717 in group 2.

Apples to apples comparisons please. Delta 717 is not a valid comparison to AA group 1.

You're incorrect... Read the contract on pay groups:

DL 717: 110 seats.

a. Group I: With the exception of aircraft identified in Groups II through V below, any aircraft configured (i.e. as operated by American Airlines) with greater than seventy-six (76) seats and less than one-hundred-eighteen (118) seats, including E190/195, CRJ-1000, MRJ- 100, and Bombardier CS100.

717 is not "identified" in groups II-V