Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Airline Pilot Forums > Major > American
Presidential Grievance... LOST! >

Presidential Grievance... LOST!

Search
Notices

Presidential Grievance... LOST!

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 06-15-2015, 09:44 AM
  #1  
Gets Weekends Off
Thread Starter
 
Arado 234's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Nov 2013
Posts: 1,764
Default Presidential Grievance... LOST!

Going for great! The saga continues...



Fellow Pilots,

As you recall, your LUS East representatives filed a Presidential Grievance against the Company for:
· Failing to comply with the 85 Hour assignment maximum for LUS reserve pilots;
· Prohibiting LUS pilot-initiated trip changes for sequences on weekends, holiday, and at the end of a bid month;
· Failing to limit long call to short call conversions for LUS pilots to five (5) per bid month;
· Failure to pay LUS pilots :30 per long call conversion;
· Exceeding RAP shifting limits for LUS pilots; and,
· Failing to pay LUS pilots duty RIGS relating to Minimum Pay and Credit, Time Away from Base, and Duty Period Minimums (Section 15).

This grievance was heard by Captain Kimball Stone – Vice President, Flight. We have received his ruling and it was denied. An Arbitrator will now hear the grievance. The maximum amount of “make whole” solutions will be sought. Continue to file pay claims and keep records.

Folks, this is clear contract language. When you voted on the JCBA you were told that the new contract contained 1.3 billion dollars in contract improvements. There is only one catch - the contract must be implemented to be realized. The Company has taken the position that they, and only they, have the right to implement various provisions of the JCBA. LOA-13-06 says otherwise. The current position of the Company, as per Todd Jewett (Senior Manager Labor Relations, Flight), is that LUS East pilots will continue to operate under the provisions of LOA-93, indefinitely. Todd Jewett is a Jerry Glass protégé, and we all know that Jerry is the architect of LOA-93. Just so you understand the chain of command here, Labor Relations runs everything. The Flight Ops leadership might as well be cardboard cutouts.

Apparently, we cannot depend on our Flight Operations leaders (Tim Campbell, Kimble Stone, Mark Cronin and Base Chief Pilots) to stand up for us in the big room. A small example of the enormity of the pay you are losing is reflected in the On Duty All-Nighters (ODAN’s). Under your CURRENT CONTRACT (the JCBA) ODAN’s pay around 9 hours, which we are being denied. The Company is stealing roughly $700.00 per night from a group two Captain who flies them. That is just one small example of the blatant theft that is taking place by rouge labor relations managers. There are many more like the 5:10 minimum day, not to mention quality of life issues.

Ladies and gentlemen, this is as serious as it gets! We cannot allow this Labor Relations group to unilaterally determine what parts of the contract they will honor and what parts we will honor. We must take a stand. Captain Frear explained to Captain Stone during the grievance hearing that as long as the company honored the contract, they wouldn't hear us complain. Captain Stone said, “That was reasonable.” Apparently, he did not mean it.

Delta just signed a new industry leading contract that is far superior to ours and has an amendable date that is BEFORE ours. The epitome of disgrace is our Company will not even honor the current industry lagging contract. They have the gall to expect you to continue to abide by a contract that was forced upon us in the worst time in airline history more than 11 years ago. It is now the best of times in the industry. They have no shame, and we will not acknowledge their arbitrary rules.

You have a contract. It is the JCBA with an effective date of January 30, 2015. LOA-93 is no longer your contract. FLY YOUR CONTRACT!

In Unity,
Arado 234 is offline  
Old 06-15-2015, 10:07 AM
  #2  
Banned
 
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 8,350
Default

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't this just denied by management as opposed by an arbitrator ?
eaglefly is offline  
Old 06-15-2015, 10:55 AM
  #3  
Line Holder
 
Bringupthebird's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Oct 2008
Posts: 98
Default

Hmm wonder how this would have gone if there was a unified pilot group instead of USAPA's patented whipsaw strategy?

Remember to thank Steven Bradford for setting you up for this.
Bringupthebird is offline  
Old 06-15-2015, 11:29 AM
  #4  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Cheddar's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jan 2011
Posts: 713
Default

According to the authors, this wasn't before the arbitrator, it was before the VP of Flight Ops.

This letter is an example of one of the biggest problem with the LUS East reps - IMnshO - the factual errors. Ugh. They diminish the argument (which is valid, and they shouldn't even have to grieve it) by putting in misleading crap like 5:10 min day (non-calendar to be implemented with PBS, as per every roadshow), and Delta HASN'T signed a new "industry leading" contract! In fact, if you look at most responses in other threads, it's concessionary.

This ability to skew facts in order to make one's argument 'heavier' was all to familiar during the JCBA, when the darned facts were bad enough. All I'm trying to say is that by adding in crap, that is Easily refutable, it really takes away from an otherwise valid argument.

All of that notwithstanding, I can't believe they lost. Hopefully it will be a no-brainer before the arbitrator.
Cheddar is offline  
Old 06-15-2015, 11:51 AM
  #5  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Sep 2014
Position: 737B
Posts: 366
Default

It's hard to win when you are presenting your argument to the people who are already telling you "no"....
asacimesp is offline  
Old 06-15-2015, 02:22 PM
  #6  
Line Holder
 
Bringupthebird's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Oct 2008
Posts: 98
Default

Is there a Plan B in case the East doesn't like the arbitrator's decision? USA Today ad? Lanyards?
Bringupthebird is offline  
Old 06-15-2015, 06:03 PM
  #7  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Oct 2005
Position: MD-11 FO
Posts: 2,182
Default

Originally Posted by Bringupthebird View Post
Is there a Plan B in case the East doesn't like the arbitrator's decision? USA Today ad? Lanyards?
Lee-ta-gation?
EMBFlyer is offline  
Old 06-19-2015, 11:32 AM
  #8  
Line Holder
 
Bringupthebird's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Oct 2008
Posts: 98
Default

Originally Posted by EMBFlyer View Post
Lee-ta-gation?
Good luck getting senior guys to ante up the money to help out some no-name reserves.
Bringupthebird is offline  
Old 06-19-2015, 12:05 PM
  #9  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Oct 2005
Position: MD-11 FO
Posts: 2,182
Default

Originally Posted by Bringupthebird View Post
Good luck getting senior guys to ante up the money to help out some no-name reserves.
We'll just sell ties for $6.75 a piece and sell them out in front of the "eens" we stay in.
EMBFlyer is offline  
Old 06-19-2015, 01:12 PM
  #10  
Are we there yet??!!
 
Joined APC: Apr 2006
Posts: 2,010
Default

Originally Posted by eaglefly View Post
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't this just denied by management as opposed by an arbitrator ?
You are correct.
Thedude is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
hillskip
Pilot Health
4
05-25-2015 09:26 PM
TonyC
Cargo
32
05-08-2013 02:10 PM
ERJ135
American
26
02-26-2013 05:54 PM
Snarge
United
56
02-12-2013 06:33 AM
Underdog
Cargo
51
03-11-2011 11:56 AM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices