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Old 06-28-2015, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Frisco727 View Post
Let me help:

1) Go to the APA website

2) Look under AA-US Merger

3) Scroll to the bottom

4) Look for NMB Single-Carrier Determination.pdf

In the Matter of the
Application of the
ALLIED PILOTS ASSOCIATION
alleging a representation dispute pursuant to Section 2, Ninth, of the Railway Labor Act, as amended
involving employees of
AMERICAN AIRLINES, INC. AND US AIRWAYS, INC.



Start reading. If you don't understand, repeat step 4.
Oh, I see, since APA is the certified bargaining representative USAPA doesn't exist. So we can just throw this 9th Circuit decision in the trash, since the only thing it does is tell USAPA what to do. And USAPA doesn't do anything anymore so lets all just go home and we can wait for APA to decide between the red Swingline or the gray Bostich as a method of seniority integration.
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Old 06-28-2015, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by FreighterGuyNow View Post
Flight Attendants do not have FAR 117 issues. Maestro and Cats cannot talk to each other so America West pilots cannot be brought into Cats and be legal per the FAA.

Not true. Already has been done in the past with West pilots flying East moving back and forth. Entering West pilot 117 data into Cat Crew is no different than entering new hire 117 data. Actually, it's easier since the company already has the data.


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Old 06-28-2015, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ackattacker View Post
Oh, I see, since APA is the certified bargaining representative USAPA doesn't exist. So we can just throw this 9th Circuit decision in the trash, since the only thing it does is tell USAPA what to do. And USAPA doesn't do anything anymore so lets all just go home and we can wait for APA to decide between the red Swingline or the gray Bostich as a method of seniority integration.
You have read about Mccaskill Bond arbitration correct? There are no staplers on 3 panel board. APA can say staple all they want, doesn't change the fact they do not decide the final ISL.
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Old 06-28-2015, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by drinksonme View Post
You have read about Mccaskill Bond arbitration correct? There are no staplers on 3 panel board. APA can say staple all they want, doesn't change the fact they do not decide the final ISL.
Tell the "Superior" ones that.
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Old 06-28-2015, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by EMBFlyer View Post
Tell the "Superior" ones that.
The LAA committe didn't say and didn't mean LAA pilots were "superior" to anyone else. They were alluding to the pre-merger route structure, domiciles and fleet including orders/options of American Airlines vs. that of US Airways all in the context of of pilot career expectations.

Way too much emotion here.
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Old 06-28-2015, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by EMBFlyer View Post
Tell the "Superior" ones that.
They didn't invent it and its not their wAAy. They will found out, I believe, they will not get their wAAy eventually.
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Old 06-28-2015, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly View Post
The LAA committe didn't say and didn't mean LAA pilots were "superior" to anyone else. They were alluding to the pre-merger route structure, domiciles and fleet including orders/options of American Airlines vs. that of US Airways all in the context of of pilot career expectations.

Way too much emotion here.
Does that "Superior" outlook include that awesome lowest industry contract and furloughs Horton was planning. Does anyone remember that golden stool that was voted down but would've been granted by a bankruptcy judge eventually. Serious question? That's why we're here, because Parker offered an alternative to that Superior contract. Just sayin.
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Old 06-28-2015, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly View Post
The LAA committe didn't say and didn't mean LAA pilots were "superior" to anyone else. They were alluding to the pre-merger route structure, domiciles and fleet including orders/options of American Airlines vs. that of US Airways all in the context of of pilot career expectations.

Way too much emotion here.
They used the word "superior" 31 times in 91 pages. That's a 3:1 ratio.
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Old 06-28-2015, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by drinksonme View Post
Does that "Superior" outlook include that awesome lowest industry contract and furloughs Horton was planning. Does anyone remember that golden stool that was voted down but would've been granted by a bankruptcy judge eventually. Serious question? That's why we're here, because Parker offered an alternative to that Superior contract. Just sayin.
Unfortunately, you're not saying much. You need to do more research. Our post bankruptcy contract under Horton not only didn't lower rates, they increased them. Our post bankruptcy contract before the US Airways disaster hit us was as good or in some respects still better than UAL's and was easily considered "industry standard".

Are you REALLY sure you want to bring pre-bankruptcy pilot compensation into question ?

My Eagle captains pay just prior to leaving there was better than half the pilots at either US Airways or America West. The furloughs Horton threatened were only 400 pilots and was geared toward using that as leverage against APA. At the same tome Horton threatened that, Hale was saying we were exactly 400 pilots short for the upcoming 2012 summer flying season.

More emotion, little substance.
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Old 06-28-2015, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by drinksonme View Post
You have read about Mccaskill Bond arbitration correct? There are no staplers on 3 panel board. APA can say staple all they want, doesn't change the fact they do not decide the final ISL.
I thought about putting "sarcasm" at the end of my post and then I thought, no, not necessary, nobody could be that oblivious.
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