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Originally Posted by eaglefly
(Post 1919132)
Highly doubtful. Their proposal (the LAA committee and not APA) was based on fundementals and if anything IF only one competing model (which includes the Nic) is presented in opposition, that impacts their fundementals differently. I can only wonder if aside from a different feathering methodolgy model is selected (whether further refined or modified) that fences aren't more prevelent. From what I heard, the APA had perhaps 6-10 "models" based on various counter-positions by the other two parties. If only a Nic based competing model is now in play for the arbitrators to consider, it may require a different competing model to ensure the interests of LAA pilots are represented properly.
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Originally Posted by R57 relay
(Post 1919099)
If there is no east committee our DFR and MB rights will have been breached. Period. The first lawyer for a DFR is being consulted on Monday. To me it seems that they are just delaying the process to see how/if they can challenge this ruling or they just want to torpedo the process altogether. Nothing else makes sense..... |
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Originally Posted by MarineGrunt
(Post 1919138)
Ok.... I am honestly not getting something here, so this is a legit question and not a flame, but how can the East committee WALK AWAY and then claim that they are not represented? From my understanding, the east could absolutely participate, they just are CHOOSING not too since they are required to advocate something they do not agree with. If I were a US pilot, I'd be telling them to get their a$$ back in the game and salvage what they can, be it big fences, etc....
To me it seems that they are just delaying the process to see how/if they can challenge this ruling or they just want to torpedo the process altogether. Nothing else makes sense..... The committee and proposal are forever tainted. Do east pilots deserve representation or not? What is the problem with delaying things a few weeks, getting a new committee and allowing them to get up to speed? The company has said the FOS won't be ready anyway. |
Originally Posted by MarineGrunt
(Post 1919138)
Ok.... I am honestly not getting something here, so this is a legit question and not a flame, but how can the East committee WALK AWAY and then claim that they are not represented? From my understanding, the east could absolutely participate, they just are CHOOSING not too since they are required to advocate something they do not agree with. If I were a US pilot, I'd be telling them to get their a$$ back in the game and salvage what they can, be it big fences, etc....
To me it seems that they are just delaying the process to see how/if they can challenge this ruling or they just want to torpedo the process altogether. Nothing else makes sense..... Who knows though ? The West didn't get this victory (questionable at best as the arbitrators are no way required to recognize the Nic) for what, 8 years ? |
Originally Posted by R57 relay
(Post 1919147)
And if it doesn't work then what?
The committee and proposal are forever tainted. Do east pilots deserve representation or not? What is the problem with delaying things a few weeks, getting a new committee and allowing them to get up to speed? The company has said the FOS won't be ready anyway. |
Eaglefly,
Do you truly believe the arbitrators are going to discard a previous arbitration that was crafted by one of the most respected arbitrators in the nation and now supported by the 9th? What would be their motive? You do realise that the "west" pilots represent roughly 10% of the combined pilot group and US Airways has been a single carrier for years now? |
Originally Posted by MarineGrunt
(Post 1919162)
Personally, I have zero problems with a delay until they get their house in order, but that doesn't seem to be the message they are sending. I hope for your guys' sake, they come back to the table, because it doesn't seem like they are playing too smart.
Maybe it's best to stay engaged and "advocate" the Nic and include a statement of protest and let the arbitrators decide its applicablilty ? As it is, the LAA proposal is STILL almost certain to NOT include the pure Nic. Still haven't heard what Silver is going to specifically say about all this. |
Originally Posted by MarineGrunt
(Post 1919162)
because it doesn't seem like they are playing too smart.
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Eagle,
How could it not include the "pure NIC"? Are you saying the arbitrators will re-order the legal seniority list of US Airways? Will they also give the TWA pilots another shot? |
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