eaglefly

The reason they put the staple gun away is that McCaskill-Bond has taken all the staples out of it.

The rest of your post is drivel (I did chuckle at the "kids table" reference though). It's not the "AA" proposal, it's the AAPSIC's proposal and in case you missed it (obviously), I find it worse then their initial one, but not just for me. In fact, even though the initial AAPSIC proposal places me more junior overall, I think that is more realistic all the way around. The use of the Nic whacks everything around if that is to be the central point of this SLI and the AAPSIC revised proposal shows that on multiple fronts. The Nic should NOT be the foundation of this SLI which is based on three pre-merger lists and at least two different PMCE considerations to be valid.

I still stand by my prediction that the Nic will not be adopted in pure form by the arbitrators and their hybrid ISL will significantly reflect none of the three proposals.

Reading this post of yours, it's obvious to me that you understand none of my points, arguments or positions and only see what you want to see.

eaglefly

All the more reason how use of the Nic isn't the best anchor. But, here again, another member who clearly hasn't understood anything I've posted, so why make further effort in that direction ?

Mainline operations ?

Hey, I'll bet the majority of LAA pilots (in excess of 95%) would have no problem with 10-year fences on each of our pre-merger narrowbody and 15-years on wide body flying. LUS flies their aircraft from CLT, PHL and PHX and we fly ours from LAA domiciles. You get faster initial advancement and we capitalize on what we brought albeit a little later.

Then, how could ANYONE claim another is taking something they brought to the table or seeking to up themselves at another's expense ?

You game ?

You and I both know you're not.

eaglefly

LAA pilots ?

Did they compose the AAPSIC integration proposal ?

Did they choose to include the Nic when nothing compels their integration committee to do so ?

Is that term describing LAA pilots or the pre-merger equity they bring to the table ?

You see, the West has won there too. They've even turned some East pilots against LAA pilots (who were responsible for none of the above). Of course, using the Nic under these circumstances even in opposition to some of their own foundations makes the AAPSIC a nemesis to East pilots and that I understand, but hey..............SOMEONE has got to protect the legal interests of APA.

Yes, it's going to be a fun section 6 in 2019 with the potential disaster this SLI will solidify and all the ghostly chickens of APA's past come home to roost at the same time then. East will always hate West, West will always despise East, TWA hates natives and most everyone dislikes the AE flows. Soon, thousands of junior LAA pilots may then just join the anti-APA parade that all the above are already marching in and then the stage of dancing chickens will be complete for the show of shows. You can be sure Doug, Scott and Jerry will be front row laughing their butts off.

Personally, I think I'll need Costco to use a Box truck to deliver all the popcorn and Yukon Jack (AKA "chairlift juice") I'm gonna need to get through that lunacy.

Upsddown

Does anyone else find it interesting that the LAA pilots are complaining about the West proposal and the West pilots are complaining about the LAA proposal but there is little mention of discord with the East proposal? What does that highlight?

How about that the East proposal is the only proposal that doesn't use an award from a previous merger? That it's the only proposal that uses three separate list in their methodology not just two? Or how about its the only proposal that provides a modeling template for the boa to experiment with to determine different methodologies?

The East proposal (list) provides all the formulas and computations to run any scenario. Arbitrators are very intelligent, but very busy. They like for the parties to do the work so that they just have to put the pieces together. Can they do that easily with the West or LAA proposal? How about the East proposal?

I find it ironic that after all this the East might be the committee that has the most reasonable (workable) solution on the table. Given the exchanges about the West and LAA proposals on this forum it would infer that may be the case.

flyinawa

I don't like the AA or the East proposal. There...happy?

cactiboss

A rational person would conclude the east pilot proposal is viewed as inconsequential and that is why no one even considers it for discussion.

Sliceback

The East proposal has similar seniority numbers for LAA pilots as the West list does so there's not much difference between the two. So it's not a belief that the East proposal is a better solution. It's probably because the LAA guys think a NIC based LUS list is more likely so trying to prevent a NIC based gain is more important.

Upsddown

Or is it that a delusional person believes it will have no merit in front of the boa?

PurpleTurtle

2014 flows wanting 18 years... Everyone wants something for nothing.

EMBFlyer

So, what's your view, then?