cactiboss

So just finished reading day 4 transcripts. I have changed my mind about Silver's order. The east pilots that took the stand all blatantly (the arbs well aware) lied and for the most part couldn't even explain how they came up with their list or how it worked. I am very pleased the east is still relying on emotion and lies to argue a fact based case.

eaglefly

I haven't read yesterday's transcripts, but so far, while I believe the East's presentation was a overly concocted, self-serving stretch of a methodology with graphs, subjective and divergent applications and testimony from professors of "fluid dynamics" (or whatever) dazzling (or possibly stupefying) the audience with pilot projection "flows" and higher math, I think it was still based on a flawed foundation that seemed more engineered to distract the arbitrators away from the Nic, PMCE or LAA pre-merger equities and although I think the arbitrators will find little to support their proposal, I don't think they will see it in the emotional framework you apparently do.

I expect Freund's presentation will be much more coherent, mainstream and grounded in his UAL/CAL victory of times past and why that should be the model (after inclusion of the Nic first, of course ) that should be adopted, making Wilder's presentation appear muddled and schizophrenic by comparison. Relax, I think you'll be able to puff your chest out a bit once Jeff is through. My only suggestion for the West committee is to avoid the part in their proposal about how a pilot or two on the East side referred to their fellow arbitrator's mental state in regard to composing his award in the U/AWA SLI. It served no purpose in written form and would be outright inappropriate in actual argument and would backfire as to any desired result it might achieve. I don't think arbitrators embrace excessive emotion or those who try to play that upon them as a hopefully beneficial tactic.

PurpleTurtle

CB is emotional, and EF is verbose. It's all a show. Please hold the applause until the end.

eaglefly

All the world's a stage.

cactiboss

I wonder if the east case is some sort of set up for future lawsuit? I mean the arbs are intimately familiar with this case and its history. From Mda to the third listers to acceptance of the Nic, all well established in the arbitration community yet the people charged with putting east list together we're blissfuly unaware of any of it. As for Freund not worried one bit, the west has a fact based proposal that includes both status and longevity categories vs aapsic with only cat/status ala cal.

P.S, don't get me wrong, I expect laa pilots to do very well in this sli, just not as well as they are asking for.

Arado 234

I don't have a dog in this fight, but *could* it be that you are maybe perhaps just a tad slightly obsessed with this whole thing?

What are you gonna do when all this is over?

cactiboss

Buy a bigger non wood boat and fixed it up while pulling reserve in lax

PurpleTurtle

Why would you think that?? Because that is what the west did by supporting the MOU just to sue?

The West has been obsessed with litigation for ten years and were never willing to negotiate anything. On the other hand, the East supported negotiating a Protocol Agreement that allowed us all to move forward, including the possibility of a West Committee.

You seem to be projecting the west strategy on others.

It will be fair and equitable. No one stupid enough to start a lawsuit will win, unless you are a lawyer promoting continued employment.

Really.. The BOA decision will be fair, equitable, and implemented, as soon as IT catches up.

Arado 234

What is it with pilots AND boats?

Upsddown

Well that ought to make the LAA guys sympathetic to your cause - take the extra money you got through merging with LAA and then go to their base and take one of their jobs. Is it any wonder the LAA guys don't seem to excited about this merger? At least wait until the award is final before you start boasting about taking one of their positions. Probably the only way to stick a knife a little deeper is if you had said while pulling 787 CA reserve.

Your statements just highlight why the East and LAA pilots have issues with this merger. The West guys don't seem to just want what they brought to this merger they want what the other two groups brought to the merger.

Unless it's your intent to irritate the LAA/East guys on purpose it might be more civil if you would tone down your intentions of taking the other groups' flying as soon as you get a chance. I haven't seen post yet where an LAA guy has said he can't wait to go to PHX and start flying Hawaii.