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Originally Posted by esadof
(Post 2131926)
Funny thing that he would brag about all the money he's making when he and his kind cost usairways pilots $600 million over 8 years. Oh well, the realization he's about to swallow the Nic. must be stressing him out.
You won't believe me and I don't really care EXCEPT to say they complimented ME on how delightful I was to work with. In short, they said a "breath of fresh air". Swallow the NIC. Not hardly. I'm looking FORWARD to your meltdown if it DOESNT happen. Enjoy the fishbowl water you swim in, esadoof. HA HA HA! |
Originally Posted by esadof
(Post 2131926)
Funny thing that he would brag about all the money he's making when he and his kind cost usairways pilots $600 million over 8 years. Oh well, the realization he's about to swallow the Nic. must be stressing him out.
I can't think of anything. :cool: |
Originally Posted by Route66
(Post 2131936)
You can't answer the FACTS because you don't know what happened.
Anger? Satisfaction that you and yours can't stick to the FACTS. Should the Nic be realized in whole or major part of the final ISL, it will be interesting to watch what the next move will be by the remnants of USAPA to thwart the ISL. Care to give us any previews or coming attractions ? |
Originally Posted by eaglefly
(Post 2131957)
I can't really identify any valid facts worthy of debate in your posts. I see a lot of conviction and opinion though along with unexplainable irrelevancy like who was the APA President at the time. I'm not sure what that has to do with much as even if one didn't know, they could easily look that up.
Should the Nic be realized in whole or major part of the final ISL, it will be interesting to watch what the next move will be by the remnants of USAPA to thwart the ISL. Care to give us any previews or coming attractions ? And do you really think the APA has the clout to make any difference about pilot decision making when they can't even decide JUMPSEAT or OCCUPATIONAL SENIORITY issues and they need a third party to come in and tell THEM whom they can discriminate against to make their idea of "seniority" whatever THEY envision to be "fair and equitable"? Here is what the APA JUST SAID TODAY: APA Leadership Meeting with Senior Management At the invitation of the APA Board of Directors, American Airlines Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Doug Parker, President Scott Kirby, Executive Vice President-Chief Operating Officer Robert Isom and Executive Vice President-People and Communications Elise Eberwein met in closed session this afternoon with the board, national officers, and committee members to discuss your union leadership’s concerns regarding culture change — specifically, the lack thereof — that is negatively affecting our pilot group and airline. During the closed-session discussion, several board members delivered prepared messages concerning continued “negative surprises” our pilots are experiencing. In these messages, the APA leadership cited a series of ongoing issues involving American Airlines’ operational performance, our benefits, the impact of management’s scheduling practices on our pilots, and Labor Relations’ role, as well as long-term financial and balance sheet concerns. To characterize the APA board of directors as underwhelmed by management’s lack of any apparent plan for the long-promised culture change would be a gross understatement. In discussions after the meeting, the board consensus was that management’s dismissive response cast considerable doubt on prospects for lasting change. To cite one specific example, management reaffirmed its view that departure at “D-0” is a centralized, command decision, and pilots will not be granted decentralized latitude — despite our role as the front-line operational leaders. Management also reiterated its view that when pilots are traveling “A-1” to cover a trip or training, they are valued more than passengers and therefore will displace passengers if necessary. However, when deadheading unscheduled (IROPS/“A-3”) and returning home from an assignment, pilots are not as important and cannot displace passengers. In addition, management clarified its position that taking a “leap of faith” does not mean forgetting about what we have negotiated, and that any improvements will be reserved for the next round of contract negotiations. The APA Board of Directors will reconvene tomorrow at 9 a.m. Central. During the next couple of days, we will provide additional information regarding this afternoon’s meeting with management and how APA plans to proceed. I'm really happy I'm raking it in. Obviously you guys aren't. |
Originally Posted by Route66
(Post 2131973)
I could never pontificate on what the future holds. Nostradamus I am not. As far as what arbitrators can and will do I can only say the same. The future is at best cloudy on that matter. But here is the point.....that when a union.....like the APA, like Bates and Roghair (who were the two at the USAPA meeting at that time) preaching about how THEIR futures were in jeopardy and they needed us to merge the rest of the APA (and the AAPSIC) have very short memories. Whom they then turn around and negotiate a contract that even today they "b---h" about when THEY negotiated.
And do you really think the APA has the clout to make any difference about pilot decision making when they can't even decide JUMPSEAT or OCCUPATIONAL SENIORITY issues and they need a third party to come in and tell THEM whom they can discriminate against to make their idea of "seniority" whatever THEY envision to be "fair and equitable"? Here is what the APA JUST SAID TODAY: So tell me Mr. Union man.......what are you and the APA going to do about the company definition of "leap of faith"? Talk them to death? So in reality what does "occupational seniority" really mean in the grand scheme of things? Not even a fart out of a mosquitos but hole to them. Only to the "onion". I'm collecting over $300,000 a year for many years while you guys "p&m" about "seniority" and the "fairness" (or lack thereof) of unity and "onions". I'm really happy I'm raking it in. Obviously you guys aren't. LOL ! :rolleyes: Obviously, you've chosen to mentally block out my posts regarding my feelings about APA, but hey, it works for you and that's fine. Obviously, you have far too much else floating around up there with all that cash and a mosquitos bunghole or two buzzing around for good measure. |
Originally Posted by eaglefly
(Post 2132050)
"Mr. Union" ?
LOL ! :rolleyes: Obviously, you've chosen to mentally block out my posts regarding my feelings about APA, but hey, it works for you and that's fine. Obviously, you have far too much else floating around up there with all that cash and a mosquitos bunghole or two buzzing around for good measure. |
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