Originally Posted by Name User (Post 2027311)

The LUS guys hired into combined LAA classes starting in June didn't get their LUS DOH until they went back to PHX for training. In other words, their DOH was actually up to a week after setting foot on property.

Originally Posted by Name User (Post 2027301)

Holy hell why does the APA like to complicate the most basic of all concepts?!?

Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 2027337)

I guess one could also say that if the LAA Letter T pilots had known that exercising their contractual right to defer return from furlough would be counted against them in this SLI, they would have had the appropriate info to base any decision on whether or not to defer return and might have elected to return ASAP. For that matter, I'd also guess that if the Eagle flows had known that the assurance that their AA seniority would in no way be impacted in the future by forced withholding from their assigned new-hire class might not be true, we wouldn't have agreed to Letter 3 and thus no flow-through under those provisions would exist.

Unfortunately, in the real world, revisionist history and subjective interpretation always seems to muddy up stagnant ponds that previously appeared clear.

Originally Posted by full of luv (Post 2027362)

It all serves Mgmt well to keep the pilots infighting. AA invented the b scale I believe and it's seems to have been part of the mAAnagement style ever since.

Originally Posted by Thedude (Post 2027359)

Repeat after me, That is the way we have always done it.

Yes, I will be ecstatic once the folks with that attitude are finally out to pasture.

Originally Posted by jcountry (Post 2027440)

Maybe they always did it that way....

But until THEY had a JCBA, we worked for separate companies-with separate labor contracts.

Originally Posted by PRS Guitars (Post 2027461)

I'm with you, I can't imagine that they'd be able to change our pay raise date, since we were hired under a different contract and the pay raise expectations were set at that time. I'm guessing that this would be used solely for meshing the constructive notice hires together. Problem is, I don't think they could rearrange the list on either side independently, ie an LUS guy junior to me now becomes senior based on this change. But what do I know...

Originally Posted by Name User (Post 2027482)

I would hope not either. How does AA determine seniority date again? Something about training completion date? OE completion date?

In the big scheme of things this doesn't really change much for us, the US system gave us an advantage over AA, so not completely fair either.

The biggest problem I will have is buddies of mine hired 3-6 months prior to me will be thousands of numbers senior to me after the SLI (assuming LAA doesn't get its way). Kinda stings. It's unfortunate they couldn't have agreed to DOH (actual DOH on property) with fences. Would've solved a metric ton of issues.

Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 2027509)

DOH would have destroyed LAA. 30 years at AA is uber senior 777CA. Here it's a line holding 320CA

Originally Posted by Name User (Post 2027511)

I understand that which is why I suggested the fences as well.