Continuning to shrink
 

"In 2015, the Company took delivery of 75 new mainline aircraft, added 52 regional aircraft, and removed 112 mainline and 31 regional aircraft. In 2016, the Company expects to take delivery of 55 new mainline aircraft, add 49 regional aircraft and remove 92 mainline and 29 regional aircraft."

2015 net mainline: (-37)
2016 net mainline: (-37)
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74 net mainline hull loss in 2015 and 2016

Over 740 pilots they don't have to hire to staff (meanwhile, Delta added 37 jets in 2015).

Doug also spent $3.6 billion (that's a b) on stock repurchasing.

PRASM is down quite a bit. (-6%). Worse than our peers.

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Cruise around aa.com for random fares for the following day.

Parker is dumping tickets at a price less than the typical cab/limo fare from the arrival airport into downtown.

Could this "shrinkage" be a way to hedge against a pilot shortage in the future? Less staffing requirements = less pilots they have to flow through from the WOs and hire OTS during a pilot drought.

Any rumors about the e190s going away on the mainline?


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I talked to the fleet manager of the 190, who's also the S80 fleet manager awhile back, he said he expects the 190 to disappear from AA.

Of the ones being retired how many were flying?

Despite the plans to the contrary, I'd be shocked if we didn't keep the TWA EFIS S80s around for quite awhile to fight off Spirit at DFW.

Let's hope he doesn't become the 777 fleet manager :D

I think he's going back to chief piloting.

And +20 RJs. Don't forget that.

I don't know him, but I heard the 190 fleet manager was a nice guy. Was he a PHL CP?

Lovely! More money wasted since they are scheduled to paint all the 190's. :confused:

What's the thought process here? Regionals are doing better than anticipated? Having trouble getting people to stay on it?


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The new paint is the kiss of death. They'll probably be gone before the last Super 80 is retired. 😉

Doug Parker himself said that we either need to have more 190s or no 190s. 20 aircraft just isn't enough to justify all the things that you need for a fleet type. I think the Baby Bus will take its place pretty nicely and do it at Category II pay scales.

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Hiring pool? :D

The thing about the 190 is the pay.

Pay pretty low on it. In fact, an AB FO makes as much as a 190 capt in like year 4 or so. (Not to mention that the right sight pay is just an outright insult to all that is holy.)

Yes but for how long? Delta has much better 190 rates, so I can see Parker probably not wanting to pay those rates when the next TA come around. Probably will be rid of them or some scope relief to fly them at the WO'ed.:eek:

I think it was Kirby who said they preferred the 319 over the 190 anyway. I'd much rather have more 319's.

The choice is not between A319s and E190. If we lose E190s it will be replaced by E175s

Can the company adequately staff those shiny new 175s?

They aren't going to run the shuttle with 175s.

Why couldn't they?

Because the Shuttle is a different product that what any regional offers. Ever rode on a regional that served alcohol to everyone and out of real bottles?

The shuttle is a big money maker and product that has to perform. I highly doubt anyone would ever consider giving it away.


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They used to run it with ENvoy. .. it may not have been officially "The" shuttle. But it was hourly ish service DCA-LGA .. AAs version of the shuttle. Not much time for first class stuff on a 35 minute flight. Also Delta ran the 175.

I think they could easily replace it with 175's. Brand new planes, First Class, Wifi and the same great comfort as the 190's. Don't think it would be to hard for FA's to serve alcohol to everyone out of a real bottle.

Yes the Shuttle is a money maker, but if a WO'ed is flying it with 175's isn't AA still getting the money?:rolleyes:

Haven't been on a shuttle flight in a while, have ya?

Right! Maybe he just remembers the free Breakfast, Lunch, Dinner, Drinks and the free Magazines (ah the old magazine racks). You know back when it was all 727's flying it.:rolleyes:

"Product"? There is no "product".
The e190 is an rj flown by mainline pilots. It is no different than an e175 other than the head count and crew flying it. You could literally replace it overnight with republic and not a soul would notice.

If it stays is a simple answer. United and Delta has put in new rates for there 190s. Parker will now look at those rates and figure out if its better to buy 80 more 190's because matching those rates would be a good deal, or dumping those 20 190's because it more cost effective to just use the Airbus.

That's probably why no commitment has been made.

Anyone know the rates of United/Delta's 190 rates compared to American? I know there better, but by how much?

I fly the shuttle almost every day. From the front end....so I guess my perception of the experience may be dated but I guarantee you the usual travelers would notice if a CRJ started flying it.

Yes the 175 could fly it great...if they could staff their airline and be reliable. Good luck with that.

And no...regional FA's have no idea how to use a real bottle, they only get paid enough for boxes [emoji6] (heavy sarcasm for this of you who are going to jump my comment)


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Here's the problem with having a regional do the shuttle:

They are understaffed and ALREADY can't be relied upon to complete the full compliment of flights that they signed up for.

If you cancel a shuttle due to staffing and then roll all the business people to the next flight as revenue standbys and they don't get on and miss their meetings and decide not to rely on our services next time, you run the very real risk of killing the service.

I don't think that adding planes and routes to regional airlines that are already straining under the weight of pilot shortages is a recipe for a healthy shuttle, but hey, I've been wrong before.

Clearly mgmt isn't worried about regional staffing. They are adding RJs right to the max of scope allowance.

They should be worried. Pay at the AAG wholly-owneds is below industry average and any new hire with half a brain knows that waiting 8+ years on a flow in this industry is downright foolish. Pay needs to come up and quickly if they want to fully staff their wholly-owneds. In some ways I hope new hires stop coming. Maybe it will encourage AAG to take more flying back from us and put it back at mainline where it belongs.

Last I checked the WO's aren't so far off from Compass, Republic or SkyWest in terms of pay and work rules. People today will go to Regionals that have a fast upgrade and the ones that have long upgrades will lose people very fast. Where do you go? A regional that has a great first year pay and 4 year upgrade or one that the pay isn't that high but has a 1 year upgrade? I believe right now PSA and Piedmont offer those fast upgrades and will get pilots.

You make 8 years to get to a major sound like its a big deal. That was about the avg. time it took for regional pilots to get to a major. Most had 2-3 year upgrades and spent 3-5 years as Captains before they were competitive for the majors. Sure some went earlier but 8 years isn't a terrible number.

I don't want to get into a discussion about what regionals need to do to get pilots. The truth is, I hope they don't get them, the more flying that we have here (and returned here) the better, even if that equals some more at Category I rates.

I agree! I hope that eventually all American flying will be done in house. Plus if we are going to be the best we need to control our flying and service.

3 190's have already been painted...

Delta runs Shuttle America E175s on the shuttle.

Since when has team Tempe ever cared about passengers? The logic I understand but applied to our current management who is only capable of understanding what fits in a spreadsheet it makes no sense. Parker and company are just strip mining the value out of AA and then they will be down the road. The proof is in the stock buy backs and the continued high debt load. Don't make the mistake of thinking that these guys care..