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05-09-2016, 07:58 PM
#22
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: Window seat
Posts: 5,231
"Struggling through training and all that entails doesn't mean we are all up to the same level after the check rides are passed."
A statement from a guy that did some review of training issues - guys that struggle as new hires are more likely to struggle later.
A statement from a guy that did some review of training issues - guys that struggle as new hires are more likely to struggle later.
05-09-2016, 08:25 PM
#23
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Joined APC: Jul 2012
Posts: 370
Originally Posted by Froggy
I thought I remembered hearing that each new hire class is only 25% flow through, has that percentage increased? I have my stuff in and update it after every trip. If I have to go back to the world of commuting AA (DFW) would be very nice.
05-10-2016, 05:32 AM
#24
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Joined APC: Nov 2012
Posts: 2,030
Originally Posted by labbats
Maybe I'm the grumpy pilot but I disagree.
The more I fly the more I think that 80-90% of being a good to great pilot is what you are born with. You either have the ability for long range dynamic thinking and situational awareness or you don't. Struggling through training and all that entails doesn't mean we are all up to the same level after the check rides are passed.
The more I fly the more I think that 80-90% of being a good to great pilot is what you are born with. You either have the ability for long range dynamic thinking and situational awareness or you don't. Struggling through training and all that entails doesn't mean we are all up to the same level after the check rides are passed.
I'm also optimistic that many can possibly develop into pilots that work harder to have a better aptitude for this job. 1500 hours and an ATP isn't the automatic solution.
05-10-2016, 05:44 AM
#25
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Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 8,350
Originally Posted by labbats
Maybe I'm the grumpy pilot but I disagree.
The more I fly the more I think that 80-90% of being a good to great pilot is what you are born with. You either have the ability for long range dynamic thinking and situational awareness or you don't. Struggling through training and all that entails doesn't mean we are all up to the same level after the check rides are passed.
The more I fly the more I think that 80-90% of being a good to great pilot is what you are born with. You either have the ability for long range dynamic thinking and situational awareness or you don't. Struggling through training and all that entails doesn't mean we are all up to the same level after the check rides are passed.
In my tenure here, I've flown with pilots (captains) that run the entire bell curve in airmanship, aptitude and recognition and embracement of the CRM and "good habits". Same with Eagle. I can only conclude that both traditional and modern methods and practices of hiring pilots are equally flawed and produce similar percentages of pilots in any given location on that curve. It truly is an individual thing. Thus, even though all qualified line pilots have passed their last training event and have cleared the minimum standards, not all are equal. Most importantly, we ALL should understand we all aren't equal to our best performance at all times, even if we fall into peak areas of the curve (as evaluated by others).
It's human nature to several shades of grey on any given day.
05-10-2016, 09:05 AM
#26
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Joined APC: Feb 2013
Position: B737
Posts: 1,204
F/Ts make up 50-70% of the hiring today. But I don't know if that will hold out in the future. Starting in 2-3 years, retirements will increase steeply. 600-800+ each year. Right now, retirements are around 300-400 per year. To keep up they'll have to hire like Delta's been hiring, and at 800-1000 pilots a year, I can't see how they could keep Envoy and the others staffed if they continued to supply 70% of the new hires.
05-10-2016, 02:11 PM
#29
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Joined APC: Oct 2015
Position: Gear slinger
Posts: 2,909
Originally Posted by Hueypilot
F/Ts make up 50-70% of the hiring today. But I don't know if that will hold out in the future. Starting in 2-3 years, retirements will increase steeply. 600-800+ each year. Right now, retirements are around 300-400 per year. To keep up they'll have to hire like Delta's been hiring, and at 800-1000 pilots a year, I can't see how they could keep Envoy and the others staffed if they continued to supply 70% of the new hires.
