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Old 11-25-2018, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Lockheed View Post
All those coments i believe are about the situation at abex not K4....we're not at 1k fo's.....yet
Not ABX...we only have 200 ish pilots total. Plus no upgrade restrictions. We had a FO at one time with 1800 total time and 0 PIC turbine upgrade to DC8 captain and made it......this was a time when ABX had a 50% washout rate on the 8 and they were proud of it! Plus it's tough to get a pod strike on the 767....I am sure it's been done but not at ABX.
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Old 11-25-2018, 11:47 AM
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I'm not at K4... but having written three Part 121 air carrier training manuals the the deal has Level C simulator (vs. Level D) experience requirements written all over it.
You realize this is an Atlas thread yes?
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Old 11-25-2018, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by RyeMex View Post
Per our Flight Operations Manual, any potential captain must have:

(1) 2,500 hours of total time on a turbojet aircraft of more than 41,000 pounds max take-off weight

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1,000 hours of PIC time in a turbojet aircraft of more than 41,000 pounds max take-off weight

OR

(2) 1,500 hour of SIC time in a turbojet aircraft of more than 41,000 pounds max take-off weight and 500 hours as SIC with the company.
Not good news for the King Air Pilots they’ve been hiring in recent years from ISR, but anyone with 2-3 years of regional time in a CRJ 200/ ERJ 145 or bigger should be fine.
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Old 11-25-2018, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by itsjustajob View Post
NOTE: Despite what seems to be told by HR in interviews, Upgrades due to the latest revision in the FOM will more than likely not be available to a 767 FO for at least 4-5 years (Revision 95, which is NOT waiverable by management since it is FAA mandated).
Not to put too fine a point on it, but the language in that FOM bulletin has a note right below it that says it is waiverable by management.

These requirements are not driven by Level C vs Level D, they are driven by what has already been stated (hard landings, unstabilized approaches, etc).
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Old 11-25-2018, 04:46 PM
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Is the wrinkled 767 a write-off?
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Old 11-25-2018, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by RyeMex View Post
Per our Flight Operations Manual, any potential captain must have:

(1) 2,500 hours of total time on a turbojet aircraft of more than 41,000 pounds max take-off weight

and

1,000 hours of PIC time in a turbojet aircraft of more than 41,000 pounds max take-off weight

OR

(2) 1,500 hour of SIC time in a turbojet aircraft of more than 41,000 pounds max take-off weight and 500 hours as SIC with the company.
41,000 lbs isn’t that big of an airplane. These seem like minimalist requirements to be a captain on a heavy going to places that most people have never heard of. I know that you guys don’t fly as many hours every month as those at Delta or United and this could take time for some, but then again being a captain at an ACMI carrier is much more demanding than being a captain at a company that has vast resources in place every time the jet lands. The job that you do is way more difficult than what the legacy carriers do and requiring some quality experience before you are handed the keys to a heavy is a good thing.
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Old 11-25-2018, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by DownInPetaluma View Post
Is the wrinkled 767 a write-off?
No, it's getting straightened out.
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Old 11-25-2018, 08:00 PM
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No, it's getting straightened out.
No pun intended.
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Old 11-25-2018, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Itsajob View Post
41,000 lbs isn’t that big of an airplane. These seem like minimalist requirements to be a captain on a heavy going to places that most people have never heard of. I know that you guys don’t fly as many hours every month as those at Delta or United and this could take time for some, but then again being a captain at an ACMI carrier is much more demanding than being a captain at a company that has vast resources in place every time the jet lands. The job that you do is way more difficult than what the legacy carriers do and requiring some quality experience before you are handed the keys to a heavy is a good thing.
I don’t by any means disagree with you. The main point is that, when Atlas tells people that they’ll be a captain in 18-24 months, it’s a bold faced lie. Particularly on the Southern side of the house, and whenever they hire guys with no 121 experience.
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Old 11-25-2018, 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by RyeMex View Post
Per our Flight Operations Manual, any potential captain must have:

(1) 2,500 hours of total time on a turbojet aircraft of more than 41,000 pounds max take-off weight

and

1,000 hours of PIC time in a turbojet aircraft of more than 41,000 pounds max take-off weight

OR

(2) 1,500 hour of SIC time in a turbojet aircraft of more than 41,000 pounds max take-off weight and 500 hours as SIC with the company
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Which means you need 1500hrs of “big” airplane time so that’s at the most 3 years if you come from a smaller plane.
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