Originally Posted by WhipWhitaker
(Post 3140760)
^ everyone stopped reading at “Kirchner said...”
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Originally Posted by Radials Rule
(Post 3140786)
Speak for yourself.
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Does anyone care to break down what the deal is with Atlas and contract negotiations? The things I’ve gathered from reading is that the last contract was signed around 2011, it became amendable around 2016 but then things broke down between the union and Atlas because of the Southern merger (maybe?), there’s been an illegal strike since, and apparently the contract is probably going to arbitration where who knows what’s actually going to become of pay rates. Am I getting the gist of it?
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Originally Posted by 6ix9ineYearFlow
(Post 3140919)
Does anyone care to break down what the deal is with Atlas and contract negotiations? The things I’ve gathered from reading is that the last contract was signed around 2011, it became amendable around 2016 but then things broke down between the union and Atlas because of the Southern merger (maybe?), there’s been an illegal strike since, and apparently the contract is probably going to arbitration where who knows what’s actually going to become of pay rates. Am I getting the gist of it?
At any rate, what happened happened and there is now a 9 month clock for arbitration that started a few months ago (not 100% on the exact date); it was supposed to start with an IBT proposal for an Integrated Seniority List (ISL), but they got a few extra months to produce that and my understanding is that it's now been passed to the company. It's super important for the guys that were at Atlas and Southern before the merger, but kind of irrelevant for anyone that came after 2016, since anyone hired since the Southern purchase will be integrated with Atlas pilots based on date of hire based upon every flavor of the proposal that's ever been passed through the rumor network. As to the contract, last email said a slight majority of sections are TA'd with the company and I think most all have been passed, some back and forth. Big sticking points are the same as they always are in every negotiation - pay and scheduling, but also SCOPE. And coming from a place that didn't have loctite scope, I'll tell ya that's pretty important and the guys that have been along for this ride are right to be very concerned about it. My understanding is 2750 (atlas) is kind of driving the bus (vis a vis negotiation, Southern/1224 is kind of along for the ride) since they're a lot bigger, and proposals on all the open sections have been passed to the company. The company claims they want to negotiate but the union wants "too much" in their emails and have implied they'll be bankrupt if they even come close. It's typical stuff, and honestly less acrimonious here than what I saw in the late 2000s at the last job. Whatever is still outstanding when the parties decide they aren't going to get any further (may or may not be on the exact 9 month date) gets decided by an arbitrator. Presumably whatever is currently TA'd will be part of the new, arbitrated contract. There's speculation that the arbitrator might consider the 10% raise we all got a little less than a year ago "good enough" when it comes to pay, but it's just that, speculation. No one really knows what will come of scheduling, scope, or pay. Or hell, maybe they really think they know, but as far as I can tell they don't have any official word unless our arbitrator is trolling us on internet forums. It's even possible that the company and the union might come to a TA on those sections, but I tend to think management will probably roll the dice with the arbitrator unless they're getting what they consider a great deal, but that is again speculation and based on how I've seen these things go elsewhere. |
Originally Posted by sigler
(Post 3140639)
So if you’re doing turns out of CVG every night (and you’re based there), are you on your own between those turns or will the company provide you with a hotel room?
The main reason we are getting the rooms is for COVID, and partly to mitigate FTG. nothing last forever. |
Originally Posted by TiredSoul
(Post 3140885)
He is not.
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https://theloadstar.com/atlas-air-mo...-pilots-union/
https://atlasair5ypilots.com/working...ions-update-2/ I'm new to union negotiations. I'm assuming this is normal, juvenile behavior from grown men who are "reaching an agreement", yet not actually do that? |
Originally Posted by FourFans130
(Post 3141752)
https://theloadstar.com/atlas-air-mo...-pilots-union/
https://atlasair5ypilots.com/working...ions-update-2/ I'm new to union negotiations. I'm assuming this is normal, juvenile behavior from grown men who are "reaching an agreement", yet not actually do that? While I wouldn't say this is normal, it's not unheard of either. If you're new to the company I wouldn't waste much time on this stuff until you're off probation. My two cents. |
Originally Posted by Elevation
(Post 3141820)
If you're new to the company I wouldn't waste much time on this stuff until you're off probation. My two cents.
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