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Wasn't Atlas represented by ALPA?

Was. Atlas has been with Teamsters for a pretty long time, now.

Atlas was.... hmmm

hmmm Kalitta just became ALPA... are Atlas pilots familar with how that went down?

The new ALPA President is a cargo guy (Fedex)...

maybe it's time to connect the dots.

ALPA regarding Atlas
 

Atlas is the scourge of the industry.

The current sub standard CBA is the direct result of ALPA representation in the early 2000-2005 period.

IBT has been fighting and gaining ground to undo a decade or more of damage ever since.

Anyone that implies ALPA is a better option is not only a fool but has no idea of the history at Atlas and how ALPA damaged the Arlas pilot group for the foreseeable future.

As a pilot investor this video is pathetic. With all of the valid complaints about AAWW they started with old airplanes and immigration? Appears to be a lot of whining about things that are part of any airline job. I thought the ABX video was more applicable to real world problems.

Used the same characters for both videos? Couldn’t get a college student to design you a more realistic image of pilots?

This video hurts more than helps. Hopefully it won’t see the general public or heaven forbid anyone who has anything to do with arbitration

Agreed, 100%

ALPA ATI cba ...lol

And a blatant lie at 1:35-1:38
Hiring pilots right out of “flightschool”.
:rolleyes:
Stopped watching after that.

If ALPA was last at your property in 2005 what has IBT been doing?

According to APC you contract was amendable over two years ago...

AND

WB FOs at my airline make more than your 747 CAs... think about that every time you fly...

Weak unions like SWAPA, IPA and IBT are easy for the company to manipulate and delay...

Enjoy....


....the scourge.

And who might you fly for?

Southern minimums have been reduced to ATP, so it is quite possible that Southern will hire people directly out of a -172.

Additionally, in the announcement of the Ameriflight Pilot Pathway program, they reference the Atlas ATP/CTP program. If they are truly developing one, that lends credence to taking new pilots...

https://w3.ameriflight.com/ameriflig...ide-companies/

It's true that we're drawing from a different talent pool than we have in the past. This new reservoir of pilots will require a longer training footprint. Moreover, as pilots realize this isn't a place to stay, we're losing the expertise to move airplanes efficiently. This is why it would be more efficient for all parties to pay competitively.

Referring to pilots who have been flying recips and turboprops at AMF as "straight out of flight school" bothers me. We shouldn't invent a qualitative difference which does not exist. Moreover it's a self-defeating statement to make.

When we make the leap to demeaning these Ameriflight, GoJet or any pilots, others can make the same leap to demean us. Why pay Atlas pilots more when they can't make it anywhere better? If Atlas pilots can't go anywhere better, how much to they really need to be paid in order to fill the seats?

There are a lot of points which can made to support increasing our compensation. Supporting more and faster growth, for example. Trashing other pilots inadvertently trashes OUR pilots.

ALPA can help, but it seems there it too much pride.

In my opinion ALPA cannot help here. First, it would be crazy to start from scratch. Atlas has to stay with the one they came to the dance with. Second, and most importantly, 1224 is Atlas. It is as close to having your own union as there can be. In some ways it is better. The other airlines share your expenses while Atlas controls their own destiny.

DEM hits the nail on the head when he writes that pride is a factor. With the debt load that AAWW holds, I thought that the strategy used at the beginning of the negotiations was a good one. No OT and slow down the machine and you will get them to the table. The board was smarter than me and the strategy was not effective. Instead of changing the strategy, they have chosen to plod ahead.

Atlas will eventually get a contract. But at what cost?

Yeah, just look at that ground breaking, industry leading winner of a contract they got for the suckers ATI. :rolleyes:

Very familiar, thank you. Which is why we are staying with Teamsters.

FYI: The new Kalitta contract was negotiated and signed into existance by Teamsters 1224.

Post 17 hits the nail on the head. Atlas using all the other carriers for their money while only looking out for themselves. Not letting Omni or k4 vote on their own contracts that passed by 90+% because it didn’t have work rules that Atlas wanted, even though those rules would tank the contracts they had with their customers. That’s why K4 went ALPA. Let’s have ABX strike during peak so we look better to Amazon... all while being the lowest paid and making no headway on a new contract for themselves.
I hope one day soon Atlas and ABX get block buster contracts so they can finally say I told you so. Makes it easier when all the other contracts become amendable in two years.


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I can’t believe you think ALPA is better than the IPA. I have 20 years with ALPA carriers and 3 with the IPA. I wouldn’t go back to ALPA if the dues were free.

Please explain 2 things for me.

1) Were you at a regional when ALPA was your Union?

2) Are you at Atlas?

If you were a commuter pilot I would agree that ALPA was valueless to you. The power will always be where the board members work. The board members are voted in usually by the larger airline. BTW the head of ALPA is a Cargo pilot now. If you are at Atlas, kind of a good deal. If not, very bad deal and you should consider leaving as you will receive even less representation financially than a commuter pilot.

There is no comparison between the non negotiating programs that ALPA has compared to the IBT.

So how are the negotiations progressing over at Atlas? I assume from your comments regarding the higher quality of representation that IBT provides that they must be right on schedule.

One last comment. I watch with interest the negative remarks made about the ATI contract. If Atlas and ABX fail to acquire a new contract by the time ATI gets their next one (possibly) how much more money and benefits will a pilot at ATI have accrued? Just something to think about regarding different strategies.

If the judge rules in favor of AAWH and against the pilots in regard to the arbitration hearing, then the IBT is going to have a bad time. It might turn pretty ugly pretty fast.

You said ALPA was better than IPA OR IBT. He said he prefers IPA. I presume that this means that he works for UPS. And, uhm, judging by the UPS contract, the IPA seems to be just fine from the cheap seats.

No, I wrote that ALPA has better non-negotiations programs than the IBT. I have never mentioned IPA

Developing, they've had an approved program since March of 2016. They've had theirs two months longer than Delta.

https://www.faa.gov/pilots/training/..._Providers.pdf

So typical for Delta to copy everything that Atlas does.

deus ex machina mentioned the IPA... and I must agree with Hammer and Boris WRT deus' statement.

I wasn’t referring to your comment hence the quote of someone else.

Sorry, you are correct. I was referring to IBT and you to IPA. The success of IPA can’t be disputed.

Question is, who will be in the running to replace IBT after we lose this arbitration ruling and the pilots turn on teamsters

Yeah, ya did. You edited your comment. And ok, fair enough, just own it. You said that ALPA was better than IBT or IPA, then you edited your comment. I don't have a dog in this fight, but damned if that doesn't seem like a straight up Lie. Maybe you didn't mean to include the IPA. It's not hard to say "woops, I added a Union I didn't mean to".

Dude you are very much mistaken. Must have me mixed up with someone else. So perhaps it is you who should own it.

Eh, entirely possible. Too much eggnog maybe. A thousand pardons if I got it wrong. Merry Christmas.

The only thing in common between Delta and Atlas is one Air Line used to employee a group of managers lacking creativity and talent and the other airline still does.

ATI was the last CBA signed, your on the same ramp same equipment. Sorry for screw job but you have to accept what others in like equipment are paying plus 5-10% We’re not brown, purple, or delta. Of you want that kinda pay go there everyones hiring

You mean the CBA that was signed after the Omni CBA, yet somehow had worse hourly rates? Sounds like pattern bargaining to me.

Arguing over ALPA/IBT misses the point. The problem isn’t the union, the problem is who the union is trying do deal with. Atlas management will ignore either organization resulting in the same outcome. I personally don’t see how one brand name union would make a difference over the other, especially considering the size of the Atlas pilot group compared to Delta or Fed Ex.

The question soon will be ‘was the fight for Section 6 rights be worth it in the end’. If the outcome is a loss for the Atlas Exco there will be a lot of questions that need to be answered; specifically ‘how much did we lose over this time and why did you listen to lawyers who only benefited from this drawn-out process’.

Then again, if the judge rules in IBT’s favor it’s a massive win and will forever change the culture of the company for the better.

Yup... If Atlas switched to Alpa JD and BF would immediately pick up the phone and beg leadership to take FedEx's contract... Who do you fly for again?