Originally Posted by Elevation

The problem is that we don't really fight. We make grandiose statements to our pilots. We tell them "You're either with us or against us!". The truth is that when it's really time to grab spears and shields, the folk making grand statements don't show up.

More importantly we don't shut-up. I just finished a trip. During this flight a gentleman name-dropped a pilot and described what the stewards are doing for that person. That person name-dropped another pilot and described what pro-standards was doing about that person. All of this was unsolicited by anyone on the flight deck. So pro-standards and the stewards are leaking information to this guy. I'm sure they're thinking they are speaking to a trustworthy friend, albeit inappropriately. He's casually using this information to build rapport with new pilots. The result is yet another breakdown and yet another example of systems failing to perform as advertised.

But we're telling our pilots they're the problem? That, my friend, is institutional cowardice. You're personally better than this.

Instead of issuing more grand statements let's get ourselves together. That means cleaning up our own act. It also means not painting with a broad brush. There are people there willing to work with us and be reasonable. Calling them thugs paints them into a corner and turns potential partners into enemies. This is a weak leader's gambit to build support underneath himself while compromising the greater effort. Instead cite the people that help. We're not fighting a monolith. This type of thinking blinds us to potential opportunities and advantages.

Originally Posted by WhipWhitaker

You hit the nail on the head! We’d be in a different position if we had anyone with just a little class and professionalism running the show. Absolutely embarrassing.

Originally Posted by Elevation

The problem is that we don't really fight. We make grandiose statements to our pilots. We tell them "You're either with us or against us!". The truth is that when it's really time to grab spears and shields, the folk making grand statements don't show up.

More importantly we don't shut-up. I just finished a trip. During this flight a gentleman name-dropped a pilot and described what the stewards are doing for that person. That person name-dropped another pilot and described what pro-standards was doing about that person. All of this was unsolicited by anyone on the flight deck. So pro-standards and the stewards are leaking information to this guy. I'm sure they're thinking they are speaking to a trustworthy friend, albeit inappropriately. He's casually using this information to build rapport with new pilots. The result is yet another breakdown and yet another example of systems failing to perform as advertised.

But we're telling our pilots they're the problem? That, my friend, is institutional cowardice. You're personally better than this.

Instead of issuing more grand statements let's get ourselves together. That means cleaning up our own act. It also means not painting with a broad brush. There are people there willing to work with us and be reasonable. Calling them thugs paints them into a corner and turns potential partners into enemies. This is a weak leader's gambit to build support underneath himself while compromising the greater effort. Instead cite the people that help. We're not fighting a monolith. This type of thinking blinds us to potential opportunities and advantages.

Originally Posted by Atlas Shrugged

Elections are coming up soon. Are you running?

I have been at Atlas a long time. We had pilots working overtime while many of us were furloughed. Sad, but true...

Originally Posted by gollum

Dude. Seriously.. how would you know.. you didn’t work there. **** and be retired already! Also the pilot shortage is/will be back much sooner than you think. Early outs at most of the majors means I would be willing to bet a few pay checks that you will start seeing new hire Classes at the big 3 before the end of the year in order to be properly staffed for summer 2022.

Originally Posted by WhipWhitaker

You lost me... If you don’t run for an elected union position, you’re not allowed to expect professionalism from your “elected” union representatives?

Originally Posted by Atlas Shrugged

No, I just find it interesting that so few people acutely run for office. BK was unopposed.

Originally Posted by WinggedHussars

So uhhh,

This thread has been pretty active recently but not really informative

Can I ask, how is imputed income being handled now in 2021? Is it still like it was in 2019 when this thread started or has it changed in any way?

Originally Posted by Swakid8

They really haven’t done any imputed income unless you fail to reconcile your expenses that were charged to your company card.