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Originally Posted by dwight3
(Post 2776338)
That's correct but they're pretty much lumped together with Atlas now.
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Originally Posted by CaptDave
(Post 2775992)
So, everyone just stop flying for them. Force their hand. Make them hand over a new CBA before resuming work. Strength in numbers.
The overall goal of any business is to keep overhead low while maximizing profits. The pilot group, also know by CEO’s and investors as “cost units”, have an always will be a major expense that companies can and will keep underpaid just so they can show some sort of year-over-year profit to their investors. |
This sounds eerily reminiscent of Comair vs the rest of the Delta connection carriers. Mesa is gonna pop up somewhere and fly 777’s for $13 an hour...
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Originally Posted by atpcliff
(Post 2776627)
And Southern got a big improvement in pay, which now means that it can't be used to whipsaw it's previous "lower cost" pilots vs the rest of the DHL/Amazon carriers...kind of goes against the whole point of this thread...
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Originally Posted by nitefr8dog
(Post 2776638)
Easy to say....last time the flying was "stopped" one company didn't.... they crossed the line, got more airplanes and a new contract. It doesn't work if some are willing to accept a substandard contract for more airplanes.
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Originally Posted by 4runner
(Post 2776702)
This sounds eerily reminiscent of Comair vs the rest of the Delta connection carriers. Mesa is gonna pop up somewhere and fly 777’s for $13 an hour...
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Originally Posted by No Land 3
(Post 2776597)
If this is all true, I hope ATI pilots aren't still wanting Bezos for a boss. I guess through proxy, he kind of is, or at least pulling strings and dangling carrots in front of ATSG management.
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Originally Posted by midnightshuttle
(Post 2778359)
I fly with guys every day that practically wack the pork sword to a pic of bezos and amazon planes.
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Originally Posted by TrojanCMH
(Post 2777261)
I agree, I don't think Amazon really cares how much the pilots at Atlas or any of the other carriers are making. It's seems like it's basically the same model as the regionals. Atlas signs a contract for a certain amount of years to fly a certain amount of planes for a certain price. You get too expensive, whether that be because of pilot costs or not, it's not Amazon's problem. It's up to Atlas or ATI or whoever else is flying for Amazon to figure out how to make a profit. As long as the planes keep moving per the agreed upon prices Amazon is happy.
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Originally Posted by Packrat
(Post 2778485)
That's exactly what would happen in a pay for departure system. While I'm not sure if Amazon is currently operating that way, a whole lot of regionals do.
I am not an expert by any means but just by googling it seems the planes are leased from Titan and then operated under a cmi deal with Atlas. Titan is owned by Atlas. So basically it’s a regional model. Amazon sets the schedules and pays for the fuel, Atlas is in charge of everything else. I also think Amazon also owns a bit of Atlas stock. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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