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dwight3 03-06-2019 07:41 AM

Amazon obstructing Atlas & ATSG pilots
 
The real reason Atlas and ABX pilots do not have a new CBA and will likely not have a new CBA is because of the influence that Amazon now has on their parent companies, AAWW and ATSG.

businessinsider.com: "And some analysts like Bernstein's David Vernon doubt that customers would want to use Amazon Air. He wrote that airport to airport, Amazon Air is cheaper than UPS or FedEx because of Amazon Air pilots' lower salaries."

"'Amazon is doing everything possible to keep their shipping expense low because it's ballooning,' Marc Wulfraat, the president and founder of supply-chain consultancy MWPVL International, told Business Insider."

All of the rumors of new airplanes or a new CBA are simply attempts by AAWW and ATSG management to keep their pilots flying their airplanes at substandard pay for as long as they possibly can which will likely be many years into the future. With Amazon likely the driving force behind this union busting effort it's logical to conclude that any lost business due to a lack of pilots is irrelevant as long as Amazon planes keep flying.

dogo 03-06-2019 07:52 AM

Ding ding ding......winner winner chicken dinner. Collusion at its finest example.
There is a reason 20 year captains are jumping ship : NO FUTURE WITH AMAZON!

CaptDave 03-06-2019 08:11 AM

So, everyone just stop flying for them. Force their hand. Make them hand over a new CBA before resuming work. Strength in numbers.

The overall goal of any business is to keep overhead low while maximizing profits. The pilot group, also know by CEO’s and investors as “cost units”, have an always will be a major expense that companies can and will keep underpaid just so they can show some sort of year-over-year profit to their investors.

JackStraw 03-06-2019 09:53 AM

It’s DHL too..

Formerbuspilot 03-06-2019 10:46 AM


Originally Posted by JackStraw (Post 2776092)
It’s DHL too..

Exactly!! I blame DHL more so than Amazon at this point.

No Land 3 03-06-2019 02:04 PM


Originally Posted by Formerbuspilot (Post 2776144)
Exactly!! I blame DHL more so than Amazon at this point.

Said no K4 pilot...

dwight3 03-06-2019 02:19 PM


Originally Posted by No Land 3 (Post 2776297)
Said no K4 pilot...

Yes, exactly. K4 flies DHL planes and was able to get a new CBA. But they don't fly Amazon planes.

Atlas, Southern, ABX, and ATI fly Amazon planes and only ATI has a new CBA but it was obtained more than a year after K4 and others got theirs and it's substandard to all of those.

Management doesn't even negotiate with Atlas, Southern, or ABX pilots and the reason for that has become evident: AMAZON. If Amazon is pulling the strings and is determined to keep pilot pay substandard then AAWW and ATSG could literally lose half of their pilots and management would not care as long as Amazon planes keep flying.

CallmeJB 03-06-2019 02:29 PM


Originally Posted by dwight3 (Post 2776310)
Yes, exactly. K4 flies DHL planes and was able to get a new CBA. But they don't fly Amazon planes.

Atlas, Southern, ABX, and ATI fly Amazon planes and only ATI has a new CBA but it was obtained more than a year after K4 and others got theirs and it's substandard to all of those.

Management doesn't even negotiate with Atlas, Southern, or ABX pilots and the reason for that has become evident: AMAZON. If Amazon is pulling the strings and is determined to keep pilot pay substandard then AAWW and ATSG could literally lose half of their pilots and management would not care as long as Amazon planes keep flying.

Southern does not fly Amazon planes.

dwight3 03-06-2019 02:54 PM


Originally Posted by CallmeJB (Post 2776324)
Southern does not fly Amazon planes.

That's correct but they're pretty much lumped together with Atlas now.

No Land 3 03-06-2019 09:06 PM

If this is all true, I hope ATI pilots aren't still wanting Bezos for a boss. I guess through proxy, he kind of is, or at least pulling strings and dangling carrots in front of ATSG management.
Wouldn't that be ironic?


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