At what point will you call fatigued? Are you a professional airman? Are you whining about duty while making max pay? Are you afraid of the Chief Pilot?

Myself? If it was legal AND I FELT RESTED, I would do the trip. If not, no-go. I empathize with the pilot group, but, to suggest that the scheduling is unsafe and that, with all of the union support behind flying safe, a pilot flies fatigued, ( a week of this would fatigue anyone), severely undermines your credibility. There is no need to embellish, as things are already quite unacceptable.

I’ve been around the block enough, to know when to pull the plug.

Go tell a new hire ( on probation), that’s never flown anything bigger than a caravan to call “your buddy” in Miami that he or she is FTG. It’s not going to happen.

I'd take Flexjet over Atlas. Flexjet has a history of hosing its pilots (something about furloughing during the 2008 downturn and then making them apply and interview to come back as a new hire), but Atlas is currently applying the screws to theirs.

We just sent home a handful of pilots that didn’t pass training. Come on over try for yourself.

Should we have kept them? Forced them through when they didn’t make the cut? Or should people looking here seek employment somewhere where training departments look the other way and pass people who shouldn’t be on the line?

I don't see where that was insinuated.

Atlas does have its moments. There are good months and bad months, granted I average more on the good side. Overall, if you are looking for the UPS/FedEx side go Kalitta (Atlas can be a good trampoline) and for the pax side do the Flex thang. Granted I have friends who ended up at Delta, American, United from here so it’s a fair shake of getting this type of experience and moving on relatively soon. If you have the PIC time that’s the key to not getting stuck in the mud as some call it. (Not required, just easier)

Careful though, many who start the Cargo Dawg Life and have some sense of adventure in them tend to lean our direction with ties off and no hats. I prefer long haul, hub turns or more than 2 legs not so much, it’s all how your geared. If it’s common home life you seek, this ain’t it and this is the life we have chosen. Adventure doesn’t pay the bills in our world, but there are bottom line bills and then there are bills. Overall, compensation will rule the day for most or at least be paid your worth so gain that experience at either source and live your dream.

Multiple legs, min rest, longer-legs back to back 24/7s. It gets rough at times, but I wouldn’t say everything is long gone. Several days off in Europe, Hong Kong, Dubai, Sydney, some stateside fun, but not all fun this year. Eyes of the beholder; can I complain about either too long layovers and not stacking flt hours or flying too much on min rest - I could definitely make the case. What I will say is if change is not in your parameters, I wouldn’t recommend it. It’s not for everyone.

For myself, I am getting older and one door between me and Lav is my limit.;)

Truth being told by Atlas Shrugged

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That there is funnnaay!!

The work at Atlas is great, but the job sucks. 121 is more competitive than 135, but I think a lot of the career-building choices we make are more or less worthless. I'd go with what gives you the best money and quality of life. That won't be Atlas. Also, we might kill you.