Agreement Reach Improvements to current CBA.
12-30-2021, 12:08 PM
#71
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The company was the one who negotiated for the OT “cap”. They wanted to prevent a handful of pilots who VX every day off from timing out by the end of the year then having to sit at home on min guarantee during peak. The funny thing is anyone in that situation this year worked their ass off under the old pay scale to then sit at home under the new.
12-30-2021, 04:04 PM
#72
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Out of 2500 pilots we probably have 3-4 that manage to game the system that way.
Not a reason to cap the pilot group
Not for the company considering all the other wasteful spending and certainly shouldn’t be for a union.
Thing that irks me is that it was kept under wraps for so long and the pilot group wasn’t asked for input.
IRDGAFF what UPS does really.
Not a reason to cap the pilot group
Not for the company considering all the other wasteful spending and certainly shouldn’t be for a union.
Thing that irks me is that it was kept under wraps for so long and the pilot group wasn’t asked for input.
IRDGAFF what UPS does really.
12-30-2021, 05:24 PM
#73
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The company would save more $$ if they capped the number of Sr VPs, VPs, Sr Directors, and Directors at a headcount of 130. I’ve never seen an airline as top heavy with senior “management” as Atlas.
12-30-2021, 10:05 PM
#75
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And what did we lose for it… Erosion of Seniority. What did we gain for it - “Fairness”
*Either way can be argued, but it should have been brought forward before we got wind of it as TS mentioned. It only makes things smell more like kaka!
*Either way can be argued, but it should have been brought forward before we got wind of it as TS mentioned. It only makes things smell more like kaka!
12-31-2021, 07:01 PM
#77
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I would have preferred an overhaul of open-time and trip trading to get trips into the system rather than create arbitrary caps. Those caps can and are bypassed by listing trips as ASAP trips or not putting those trips into open-time at all. It would have been nice to focus on making systems work as planned rather than implementing caps, etc. Oh well.
12-31-2021, 07:32 PM
#78
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Originally Posted by Elevation
I would have preferred an overhaul of open-time and trip trading to get trips into the system rather than create arbitrary caps. Those caps can and are bypassed by listing trips as ASAP trips or not putting those trips into open-time at all. It would have been nice to focus on making systems work as planned rather than implementing caps, etc. Oh well.
12-31-2021, 11:03 PM
#79
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Originally Posted by dera
You know that's all in the CBA, right? Programming AIMS just takes time. Read the yellow bits in Article 25.
We were talking about this in context of the VX cap. As long as there are ways for trips to make it to volunteering pilots without them hitting the open time system, the hour-cap will encourage more sideline deals. While the intent was to make things more fair, the effect may be to drive more trips toward specific pets and favorites. People playing by the rules will be the ones to suffer here. Hopefully I'm wrong, and I simply missed something in our draft. Personally I think we have more important stuff to work towards.
01-01-2022, 12:16 AM
#80
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul
How about we split Captain and FO pay now that’s FAIR.
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