ALPA shutting down the E3 Pilot Program ?
 

Rumour that Atlas ALPA MEC attempting to shutdown the E3 recruitment program

As the E3 is only valid for 2 - 3 yrs one would be dependent on its continued renewal to ensure employment.

I've been offered a Conditional Offer ... just tying up loose ends..
Is there any truth to this rumour.

Cheers
Noodle

Atlas is Teamsters so ALPA would not have much to say there, or are you thinking of a different airline than Atlas?
There are a ton of Australians in class right now so i doubt it.

No that's my bad, I assumed it was ALPA, but yes the rumour is ATLAS.

Like all rumors, take it with a grain of salt until something is officially announced. If you have a CJO, congrats and stand by for a class date shortly. Try not to stress about rumors.

E3 has been around for a while and is unlikely to be shut down. We may see reductions in numbers of visas issued in part due to arguments made by trade unions, but that's nothing new. You have a CJO, so it's not a big problem for you.

Once you're an active employee, you have some options. I'd consult with dept of state and your government to get more information on potential scenarios.

Sounds like fake news to me

Look at Frontier/Spirit. Definitely better companies who take E3 Visa holders.

“Definitively better companies”. Such an arrogant comment.

So true! So many folks believe their life is the premier life choice others should follow or wish to have. Everyone’s lifestyle priorities are different and only you can decide what makes you happy or at least works the best in your situation. Flew with an Aussie a couple of months ago and he mentioned that he has had more quality time at home in Australia with us vs his former Jetstar 787 gig. Hard to understand until he showed me what his schedule was like trying to recover every few days to once again hit the air if you will. He’s making it work incredibly well for himself and so should everyone if given the chance. You do you, forget everyone else it’s your one life.

Why are you guys trying to sell Atlas? I agree with Otterbox. Frontier/Spirit is a better company. Go there.

“You do you, forget everyone else it’s your one life.” And me stating it was an arrogant comment, that’s selling Atlas?

And if we’re doing so, can’t we actually defend our company if we so choose?

The people that should go to Spirit/Frontier are those at Atlas that hate their lifes.

Someone told me two years ago, Atlas is what you make of it. Guess what, it freaking works for me and I’m happy here. So while I’m not a recruiter, I don’t take sh*t either.

Because it's a good company and we need more pilots. Better staffing increases QOL for everyone. For a pretty obvious reason the pilots complaining the most are the ones who will never leave.

Because there is a lot more to being happy with the job you have than spreadsheet earnings that may or may not be true at the end of your career. Flying evacuees fleeing Afghanistan is a lot more satisfying than flying trash that just got in a brawl in the terminal. Or even better, things have gotten so bad at your low-cost airline that crews have to avoid the terminal for fear of physical violence.

Not selling anything. Every place has their bait and only you can decide what your willing or wanting to bite off on. I don’t want anyone here who hates it, complains about it more than normal just go where you want to go if able easy peasy. I totally want you all to find your “happy place” or whatever floats your boat. No excuse coming here and not know what the flavor is with access to all this information. Never a time easier in history to create your future in this industry hands down.

*Imagine not just waiting for the first to call and that’s your future. Honestly, I came here to check it out while initially looking towards other outfits. Something just clicked. Always toured the world before here and lived overseas as well. Wow, this place just hit me right totally works. Can see why it wouldn’t appeal to others and agree based on their wants/needs. For folks like me, it’s a kick @$$ ride. Enjoy your life, you only have one!

Does anyone know if British nationals are being considered at Atlas? I’m very keen on joining, currently fly the 777. I don’t posses a Green card but I heard that Canadians are being considered for visa exemption, just wondered if something was possible for non N.Americans, other than Ozzies of course! Many Thanks

It's pretty simple: find a way to get the right to work in the US and you can work at any US carrier pretty much.

Identity and miscommunication is why. Somebody says there are better companies. People hear "You suck because you're not at a better company.".

For what it's worth I think Cathay, Emirates, etc. would be a better fit for Aussies than Atlas. I also think we're better served by hiring American ATPs than recruiting foreign crew. That said we fly to Sydney and have schedules that allow for regular travel to and from Australia to take care of family. That would be a very hard thing to pull off at Spirit or Frontier. I also misread the OP's post and thought he was talking about an ALPA-led drive to limit total E3s. Oops.

Not everyone wants to haul the trash to eastern Florida in a bus until they turn 67. Atlas is far from perfect, but like others have said, it is what you make of it. If you understand what you're getting into, and manage your expectations accordingly, this place is actually a hidden gem. Personally, the QOL I've had here on the 747 over the past 4 years has been the best I've ever had during my career. It's not for everyone, upper management is a bunch of clowns, and the compensation could be better. Different strokes for different folks... YMMV.

Bingo!
As usual, C17B74 nails it squarely on the head.

Maybe you company cheerleaders should at least wait until we have the same 15% DC retirement as Sun Country before you tell everyone how great it is at Atlas. We work more days than Kalitta and our pay rates are lower. That's how sad our new contract is.

Is everybody finished with the measuring contest now and ready to properly answer this guy's question?

Here is the official position of the Atlas Pilots Executive Board as stated in a May 20 update:

In other words, the union is fine with the status quo. But not FURTHER LOOSENING of work rules.

They did not say they were fine with the status quo.

If you think 15% DC is what makes Frontier or Sun Country a better option feel free to go test those waters…. Grass is always greener on the other side. Just watch out for those silly section 19s or constant melt downs due to unwillingness to invest in their operations to support growth that they desire but can’t….

Yet there are Kalitta guys telling folks to come to Atlas. It’s not like they work that much less…. Only 1 day less. Last time I checked, even with this new contract, we maintained our soft pay advantage over them.

Look, if you are concerned with spreadsheet numbers. Then make the jump if you haven’t. You’ll get hired at any of your choice of carriers with a little bit of effort. There’s no excuses if the spreadsheet numbers doesn’t meet your needs.

We all know a broken watch (analog of course) is right twice a day as they say but I really do appreciate the Bingo! Another decade and a half and I will be playing Bingo. I must admit even though I wear a watch I do look at the phone for time as well and especially in our long haul business. I enjoy the insight and perspectives you, Elevation, Birdsmash, CRJJ, Swakid8, TS, dera and many others bring to the table. A vary diverse group with backgrounds, experiences, origins like no other. Mcfadden ain’t wrong either as he just mentioned rates and DC and we definitely need improvements in other areas as well which has been a no brainer since Sept 21. Guess I will have to go back down to the beverage area here down under and see if I can get any contract negotiation pointers from any Frontier/Spirit and now Sun Country folks I may run into. Honestly, the Kalitta guy may be around so point taken.

*Apologies zerozero to Hero for answering the question. Sorry wasn’t quite done - If anyone thought there were going to be leaps and bounds of improvements they haven’t been paying attention. If you’re feeling bad and terrible now just wait to see how other ongoing negotiations turn out. You may need to seek other waters in order to meet your highest priorities. It’s not rocket science just an overall assessment.

**May not have heard it correctly, but was UA entertaining 19% DC? Now there’s a shiny penny which can only help others.

The United 19% is all rumors. Until the AIP is released to the pilot group. Just like they were rumored to get PSC as well, and 20 percent raises…. I’ll believe it when I see the language that is black and white.

One day more per month adds up to and extra year spent at work over a 30 year career. Plus K4 guys get to travel on their work days instead of before/after, which probably adds up to another year or two.

Cathay??? You been watching the news or talked to anyone in HKG?

Can’t leave your hotel room on a layover, wasting 2-3hrs after every HKG arrival at the airport awaiting your test result, PCR tests every 3-5 days, huge pay cuts, daily filling in of stupid forms and evidence of your movements and the constant fear that your family might get locked up at a government facility

https://hongkongfp.com/2022/06/01/co...n-subvariants/

The E3 visa is not just a pilot visa; looots of professionals in different fields use it work in the US (and vice versa there are Americans working in Australia)

Thanks for the replies lads. Guess I’ll have to meet an American lass on my next US layover.

Company cheerleaders? lol. You sure are bitter. Have YOU applied to Spirit / Frontier? or Jetblue, or Southwest, or American, or Delta, or United, or FEDEX, or UPS, or SUN COUNTRY.
You only see one side of the comments we make, the side you wanna see. Plenty of pros/cons explained. If you still wanna get mad at us for actually liking the place.....I'm sorry for you.

With the job market how it is I don't quite understand how people who are this unhappy with Atlas still work at Atlas. Unless someone has a ton of 121 failures or just an awful personality, anyone at Atlas can go get hired at any legacy/LCC in the country. I, for one, am at Atlas cause I like it here. Can't see myself doing min rests at LGA.

Nobody disagrees with the notion that our arbitrated contract leaves a lot to be desired. The real question is- have you tendered your resignation yet?

We have a substandard contract and you guys are actively trying to recruit foreign pilots. Management loves pilots like you!

who the F* is trying to hire nobody?, we are giving our opinion, OUR opinion, not the truth, not just facts, OUR opinion, get that?. Who are you to question what we can and can’t say about our own experience?.

other pilots love pilots like you, what a blast spending 17 days in the same cockpit.

Last time I checked, I don’t have pilot recruiter next to my job title nor is it on my resume, nor went out my way to hold meet and greets that the company has been actively trying to get line pilots to hold for candidates.

All I do is answer the questions based off of my experience and my experience only. I don’t pump sunshine and rainbows about my experience neither. There are good and bad about Atlas. Atlas works well for me and family for the time being.

If Atlas doesn’t work for you. Again, with a little bit of effort. You can always apply elsewhere and submit your resignation. Everyone is hiring like gang busters at the moment. While the rest of us try to make lemonade with lemons….

So answering someone's questions is now considered "actively recruiting"? You must be the guy that got our tuna sandwiches and schnitzel taken away.

Without getting too far down the finger-pointing rabbit hole, honest questions from pilots deserve honest answers. We don't need to do any skewing of answers to make other places more appealing than Atlas. There's plenty of genuinely bad news and dirty laundry for people to see.

A person that ties answering questions to being "company men" implicitly ties our union to dishonest answers. This isn't the case. I doubt it's productive.

Someone mentioned that the Union wants status-quo without expansions of foreign recruitment. Thanks for a straight answer to a question.

They’re hiring. Go ahead and go. If you do, I hope that you’re senior to me. Good luck.

Just because I point out a part of a contract that is better at another airline doesn't mean that I want to go there. Not sure why I would even have to explain this.

Now you are talking out of two sides of your mouth…..GMAFB