Good Bye Amazon
05-28-2024, 08:06 AM
#1
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Joined APC: May 2023
Position: 73 FO
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Good Bye Amazon
What do you all expect is going to happen with the removal of 737 and 767 fleet for amazon?
People currently in the training program?
Recently upgraded captains?
First officers with R-ATPs?
They are phasing out by mid 2025, will they train from the bottom up or the most senior guys first?
People currently in the training program?
Recently upgraded captains?
First officers with R-ATPs?
They are phasing out by mid 2025, will they train from the bottom up or the most senior guys first?
05-28-2024, 08:34 AM
#2
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2007
Position: 767 FO
Posts: 864
What do you all expect is going to happen with the removal of 737 and 767 fleet for amazon?
People currently in the training program?
Recently upgraded captains?
First officers with R-ATPs?
They are phasing out by mid 2025, will they train from the bottom up or the most senior guys first?
People currently in the training program?
Recently upgraded captains?
First officers with R-ATPs?
They are phasing out by mid 2025, will they train from the bottom up or the most senior guys first?
We know about 8 new Jets, who knows what business is now available to be pursued with the available crews.
05-28-2024, 09:41 AM
#6
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: B767 FO
Posts: 423
Thanks for the info. Again Good luck.
In my personal life and in my 25+year career as an airline pilot, I've never celebrated anyone's misfortune. Regardless what they do for the company, pilot, non-pilot, it's important to them, it matters to them.
I'm well aware the ACMI world is competitive. I've an ex-regional/LCC myself, so I get the game. All the Atlas people I've come across seem like good people. Same for the Mesa people.
Now, my opinion of the likes of people such as Frank Lorenzo, Carl Icahn and Jonathan Orstein, etc are totally different.
I'm well aware the ACMI world is competitive. I've an ex-regional/LCC myself, so I get the game. All the Atlas people I've come across seem like good people. Same for the Mesa people.
Now, my opinion of the likes of people such as Frank Lorenzo, Carl Icahn and Jonathan Orstein, etc are totally different.
05-28-2024, 09:47 AM
#7
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Joined APC: Apr 2022
Posts: 74
Personally, I think it's all going to be fine. It'll take a combination of more new airplanes, attrition even if it's slightly reduced than years past, and maybe some creative stuff like offering stuff like reduced flying lines. Consdiering Atlas has been consistently limited by pilot hiring/retention it will be interesting to see what the company can do with a bunch of available pilots in one hand and a near-unlimited amount of money (Apollo) to buy aircraft in the other.
05-28-2024, 10:45 AM
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In a land of unicorns
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Whale FO
Posts: 6,551
Personally, I think it's all going to be fine. It'll take a combination of more new airplanes, attrition even if it's slightly reduced than years past, and maybe some creative stuff like offering stuff like reduced flying lines. Consdiering Atlas has been consistently limited by pilot hiring/retention it will be interesting to see what the company can do with a bunch of available pilots in one hand and a near-unlimited amount of money (Apollo) to buy aircraft in the other.
The Amazon flying is quite a few airframes but the utilization has been woefully low, and the staffing levels Amazon has required had been ridiculously high. Its no secret we have been losing a lot of money every year from that flying, so getting rid ot it is a good decision.
From block hour perspective, the 8 new WB jets coming in this year will likely replace majority of the hours lost from the Amazon flying (777 and 747 fly 20 hours a day, 767 flies like 8). We will be heavy for pilots for a while but natural attrition will take care of that.
It sucks for the guys who live in CVG and enjoy the crazy QOL those fleets have provided, but for the company, this is a very good move.
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