If you take vacation, if you have a pc, or pt, or if you call in sick, 62hrs. Well, 3 vac weeks, 2 training events, and one or two sick calls per year nets 7 months at guarantee. If you dont want to conflicr your PC you will be obligated to work 21 days PLUS travel days that you pay tax for the airline tickets. No this place is fantastic.

Just figured I would throw it out that I took the test last night. 92% and I used 47 min. I am assuming this can be a good thing or a bad thing. The test was not as difficult as people made it out to be. what are your guys thoughts?

Congrats! Good job on the test. If you don't hear anything in a weak or so, be sure to remind Atlas HR that you passed the test and look forward to an invitation to Miami to meet them.

Then, use the Atlas interview for practice so you will have a better shot at a successful interview at a good airline with real work rules and industry standard pay.

... or if you don't get a call from United or FedEx prior to an Atlas class date, you may decide to endure the Atlas training cycle to generate a type rating for your resume. If given the choice, go for the 767. Fedex seems to like that one!

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Quote from APC:
"First year pay is $79.60 with 50 hour guarantee but you will fly approximately 78 hours credit"

Is this true?

It's somewhat true. If you're out for the entire 17 days you'll earn above guarantee of 50 based on the CRT. In my case I had a month where I was sent home and only operated for 7 days, that turned out to be a 50 hour month.

Some trips may show you flying a lot and then it changes and you fly little, so CRT comes into play. Other lines may fly little and credit little, and when you report it's all changed and you fly your butt off.

There is NO line guarantee. You may be awarded a line that has 80 hours, by the time you go home you may be reduced to 50, and there is no protection of your awarded line credit value.

Totally accurate. When I got here I planned on VXing every chance I got. I made good money my first year. Now I'm a union rep and I don't VX to set an example for everyone else. This changed of the amendable date of 7 days ago. I face the very real possibility of making peanuts if Atlas decides to take my flying away from me.

Somehow, the company is trying to get us into a position where we can't demand this kind of line protection EVERY other airline has.

I encourage everyone else to support each other and make the personal choice and sacrifice to no longer VX. This isn't a forever deal, just a short period of time where we can stengthen our position, especially going into this 4th quarter drastically short.

You do NOT need this. you can be living/working overseas and get hired at Atlas.

I am available for PM questions if you have any.

Are you saying that what 5ypilot says is totally accurate? $3600/mo take home from a $7600/mo gross minimum guarantee? That's ridiculous. That's not true. Plus he claims to break 62 hours not more than 3 months a year...again ridiculous I believe. I've been on the line less than 6 months and have averaged 72-75+ hours CRT every month. If he's doing min guarantee that means he's working 12 days a month or less every month that he's not on vacation or in training. I find that extremely hard to believe, especially for somebody that registered here mere days ago and started spewing misinformation.

I truly appreciate your service as a Union rep. Once I'm off probation I plan on serving in whatever Union position I can.

I'm somewhat disappointed that you only stopped VXing 7 days ago, rather than when "negotiations" began. I look at it differently I guess...I have never planned to VX and probably never will. I value my time off too much.

I also encourage every Atlas pilot to NOT VX..especially during negotiations..but I want a new contract that makes it so nobody feels the need to VX. If nobody ever does VX time, the company has to hire more to staff the operation. Better staffing is better for all of us.

Of course, I know this is not realistic, because there's always guys with multiple ex wives, working OT "to pay for my boat", etc....

I'm all in, and even as a probationary pilot I tell people what I think about them working overtime. I support my Union, my ExCo, and all other pilots towing the line....the guys that are HOPing, screw 'em! Ostracize them. Treat them like a b!tch.

When people spread misinformation, I feel it's our duty to call them out. We need truth, not fearmongering.

5th year 767 FO pay, 98.2 x 62 hrs = 6,088. Uncle Sam/401K that I max because our match is a joke/health insurance/union/assessment/imputed tax on gateway travel/hotels = 40% deductions. 6,088x.6=3,653.

I work a hell of a lot more than 12 days per month, but I repeat, a sick call, a training event or vacation drops you to guarantee. 6-7 months out of the year its guarantee.

But I kill'em on per diem...

If this is misinformation then I fail to understand some other alternate reality.

Alternate reality is a guy that's been here 6 months thinking he's got it all figured out.

I conflict bid training, maximize vacation, had to use a sick call, sat some R1, and maximum deductions for family benefit on a 50hr guarantee. It doesn't leave much to take home. I made these kind of pay checks on the Be1900 in '99-'00.