Originally Posted by Globemaster2827
(Post 2478747)
At Kalitta you will absolutely work less days. 15-17 days sounds correct. If we end up in Arbitration with the "Kalitta Plus $1 Contract" I'm expecting that I would work an extra day a month than I currently do- at least. I do think we'd keep Gateway in that scenario but I'd work 19 days a month instead of 18. It works out to be an average of 18 days a month when I drive and 19 days a month when I have to use Gateway. All of this is pure speculation though. We do know that the contract will be worse if the company wins that law suit.
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Originally Posted by 121again
(Post 2478758)
So help me understand you're talking about going from a 17 paid work day schedule with commuting on your own time on days off and the company buys the ticket, to a 17 paid work day schedule commuting on company time and eliminating the gateway ticket?
I'm basically asking all of this to figure out if Atlas pilots are pushing for or expecting a schedule as good as the one Kalitta has. |
Originally Posted by kolt66
(Post 2478794)
Just about. Atlas is currently 18 paid work day schedule with commuting on your days off so essentially you're gone 20 days unless you live in base. And Kalitta is 17 paid work days but two of those are travel days. So with Kalitta you're gone 17 days but Atlas it's 20. I would think that this part of the Kalitta schedule looks pretty sweet in comparison.
I'm basically asking all of this to figure out if Atlas pilots are pushing for or expecting a schedule as good as the one Kalitta has. Atlas wishes to eliminate this benefit in the new contract. |
Originally Posted by kolt66
(Post 2478794)
Just about. Atlas is currently 18 paid work day schedule with commuting on your days off so essentially you're gone 20 days unless you live in base. And Kalitta is 17 paid work days but two of those are travel days. So with Kalitta you're gone 17 days but Atlas it's 20. I would think that this part of the Kalitta schedule looks pretty sweet in comparison.
I'm basically asking all of this to figure out if Atlas pilots are pushing for or expecting a schedule as good as the one Kalitta has. |
Well first of all Atlas is 17 days. Everything else depends on your base and where home is. Your first year is going to be miserable on the 747. Getting to ANC is a pain. Most of the time at the end of your schedule you can just get back on your plane and at least be in the lower 48 tax free. When you bid out of ANC to another base it's easier, again depending on where you live. Most ORD flights leave in the evening so I'm normally on a sunrise flight to ORD. Most of return flights come in during the afternoon so I just go over to the terminal and am home 6-8 hours after the brake was set.
Everyone complains about Gateway but you don't have to use it. Having jumpseated for years, knowing I have a ride is great. And the tax on a company hotel is still less than the crew rate on a dive hotel. Obviously everyone's situation is different. |
Originally Posted by 121again
(Post 2478822)
You're proposing the same schedule as Kalitta, the same pay rates + $1, and we find our own way to work. This is supposed to be better?
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Originally Posted by Twin Wasp
(Post 2478831)
Well first of all Atlas is 17 days. Everything else depends on your base and where home is. Your first year is going to be miserable on the 747. Getting to ANC is a pain. Most of the time at the end of your schedule you can just get back on your plane and at least be in the lower 48 tax free. When you bid out of ANC to another base it's easier, again depending on where you live. Most ORD flights leave in the evening so I'm normally on a sunrise flight to ORD. Most of return flights come in during the afternoon so I just go over to the terminal and am home 6-8 hours after the brake was set.
Everyone complains about Gateway but you don't have to use it. Having jumpseated for years, knowing I have a ride is great. And the tax on a company hotel is still less than the crew rate on a dive hotel. Obviously everyone's situation is different. |
Originally Posted by Globemaster2827
(Post 2478819)
This isn't really correct. It's a 17 day work schedule. IF you commute then you commute on "Day 0" and "Day 18". "Day 0" can even turn into "Day -1" if you're trying to get from say MIA to ANC with rest. Southern is 20 days with Home Basing, so you commute on Day 1 and Day 20. In both cases Atlas buys you a commercial ticket to your base known as "Gateway" for Atlas pilots. They also put you up in a hotel. You pay taxes on the airfare and hotel as taxable income known as "Imputed Income".
Atlas wishes to eliminate this benefit in the new contract. |
Originally Posted by 121again
(Post 2478822)
You're proposing the same schedule as Kalitta, the same pay rates + $1, and we find our own way to work. This is supposed to be better?
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wouldn't a true Kalitta + $1 contract include home basing and a 16 day schedule? or is home basing not a contractual issue?
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