Thanks for the replies! (And the warnings)

Just curious ... does that mean that the folks that weren't around to sign the current contract that was negotiated prior to their arrival shouldn't enjoy the protections and benefits provided by that contract?

I know you're just yanking the chain here, but be careful not to stir up a lot of angst and animosity where there needs to be none right now!

You’re showing your ignorance; no Atlas pilots will ever be allowed to vote on a CBA, and those guys will be stuck vxing for their 401K until hanging it up in 5 years.. #AtlasContract2024

How many showed up yesterday 4/4?

14 out of 28 showed up yesterday for the 747 class. Still better than the 1 that showed up for the last 767 class.

BayBum

Before applying to Atlas/Southern ask yourself these questions.

Do you mind making 60 to 70% less pay and benefits flying a 74 or 76 than your peers flying a 73 or A320 at any other airline?

Do you mind working worldwide 18 to 21 days a month while your domestic peers work 12 to 14?

Do you mind having no control over your schedule other than what day you leave home to start your trips and having your seniority mean nothing?

Do you mind being at the only U.S. airline that withholds hundreds out of your check every month for imputed income on the cost of airline tickets to and from your base and hotels in base?

Do you mind having to reconcile all your hotel stays and other expenses every month? If your report goes missing ( as happens ) or you forget a receipt the company will apply imputed income for the entire amount that month and withhold the taxes from your pay.

Do you mind being required to be in position at a minimum 10 hours prior to the start of your first duty start time and if there are no airline flights early enough to position you’ll have to travel the day before, unpaid?

Do you mind punitive sick leave, vacation and training? ( you will be at min guarantee for any month having those ).

Do you mind working under a CBA that is now below most regional CBA’s and far far below any mainline or LCC contract?

Do you mind working for the ONLY airline in North America that is not allowing their pilots to vote on a CBA...and if mgt prevails in court this fall, never get to vote on one in the future?

Do you mind waiting possibly 3 years for the next contract to be imposed by an arbitrator, not negotiated... only to work for another decade at 60% or more below industry standard again?

Do you mind waiting behind over 1000 FO’s to upgrade at a nearly stagnant fleet now, and then build 1000 TPIC at the low rates we fly yearly?

Do you mind having no virtually no scope protection? The company can be broken up and sold off and/or your job can be outsourced at any time and you will be on the street.

If none of that matters then by all means apply. You may get a class all to yourself as happened two weeks ago on the 767.

Couple questions:
When did Atlas leave ALPA?


Has there been discussion to rejoin to assist with getting a contract done?

What is the basic framework the company sent to the union recently?

Left ALPA in 2008. No serious talk of returning. Management made major unacceptable changes to the latest framework proposal. They reneged on every provision of the 2018 framework agreement. It’s just a “show” to attract and keep pilots with false hope until the amalgamation ruling.

In the ACMI world Kalitta, Omni, and ATI have new contracts. The worst of the three was negotiated by ALPA. That was also the newest of the three so you’d think they’d at least be able to match the other two.

No thanks.

Can anyone here who LIKES Atlas please PM me? If you post something positive here you’ll be accused of being a recruiter or a troll.
I understand there are issues, as there are everywhere; for Christ sake there are people saying “don’t go to Delta.”
I know Atlas has issues; but surely there are people who find the positive in the company.