Originally Posted by Atlasvet
(Post 3552136)
The irony is there are still lots of folks stating “Atlas will not be able to hire enough to cover attrition” |
Originally Posted by notthesame
(Post 3554002)
They will eventually run out of QUALIFIED overseas pilots to fill holes... hopefully.
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Originally Posted by notthesame
(Post 3554002)
They will eventually run out of overseas pilots to fill holes... hopefully.
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Originally Posted by TransWorld
(Post 3554463)
Fixed it for you,
Or that the only qualified hires we can get are from overseas and come on a non-immigrant visa that chain them to a specific company, but allow endless renewal because qualified domestic pilots can goto any US airline and therefor earn a market based wage that is significantly higher than what they would earn at Atlas? We've happily given away our only leverage. Don't try to frame this as xenophobia because it's clearly not. They are reaching into foreign labor pools to avoid attrition and thus AVOIDING PAYING A MARKET BASED WAGE. There is a reason that EVERY other airline union (besides ours) lobbies against labor outsourcing. Because it undermines the pilot group (including the E3 hires already on property). Whats going to happen when the furlough comes and US pilots are on the streets, but our active seniority list is dotted with pilots on non-immigrant visas? Calling it xenophobia is a very easy way to dismiss what I'm saying. How about debate on the merits of this purely financial issue? |
Originally Posted by notthesame
(Post 3554601)
Are you insinuating domestic hires are unqualified? Or that only overseas pilots are the only qualified pilots available?
Or that the only qualified hires we can get are from overseas and come on a non-immigrant visa that chain them to a specific company, but allow endless renewal because qualified domestic pilots can goto any US airline and therefor earn a market based wage that is significantly higher than what they would earn at Atlas? We've happily given away our only leverage. Don't try to frame this as xenophobia because it's clearly not. They are reaching into foreign labor pools to avoid attrition and thus AVOIDING PAYING A MARKET BASED WAGE. There is a reason that EVERY other airline union (besides ours) lobbies against labor outsourcing. Because it undermines the pilot group (including the E3 hires already on property). Whats going to happen when the furlough comes and US pilots are on the streets, but our active seniority list is dotted with pilots on non-immigrant visas? Calling it xenophobia is a very easy way to dismiss what I'm saying. How about debate on the merits of this purely financial issue? |
Originally Posted by notthesame
(Post 3554601)
Are you insinuating domestic hires are unqualified? Or that only overseas pilots are the only qualified pilots available?
Or that the only qualified hires we can get are from overseas and come on a non-immigrant visa that chain them to a specific company, but allow endless renewal because qualified domestic pilots can goto any US airline and therefor earn a market based wage that is significantly higher than what they would earn at Atlas? We've happily given away our only leverage. Don't try to frame this as xenophobia because it's clearly not. They are reaching into foreign labor pools to avoid attrition and thus AVOIDING PAYING A MARKET BASED WAGE. There is a reason that EVERY other airline union (besides ours) lobbies against labor outsourcing. Because it undermines the pilot group (including the E3 hires already on property). Whats going to happen when the furlough comes and US pilots are on the streets, but our active seniority list is dotted with pilots on non-immigrant visas? Calling it xenophobia is a very easy way to dismiss what I'm saying. How about debate on the merits of this purely financial issue? |
Originally Posted by notthesame
(Post 3554601)
Whats going to happen when the furlough comes and US pilots are on the streets, but our active seniority list is dotted with pilots on non-immigrant visas?
This means that a lot of the furlough(ees?) would be….hold your handkerchief……E3 visa holders. On your other statements, I’m guessing the Teamsters National don’t care who pays the dues. |
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul
(Post 3554915)
Furloughs are done by seniority not random.
This means that a lot of the furlough(ees?) would be….hold your handkerchief……E3 visa holders. On your other statements, I’m guessing the Teamsters National don’t care who pays the dues. |
I have family reasons and a large bonus coming from my current job in 2023, so would not be able to start until summer of 2023. I have my ATP, but limited turbine time, so appears the 737 would be best fit. Should I apply now given the training delays mentioned in the previous pages?
Is the Atlas 737 a good place for your first jet job or should I go to one of the regionals first? |
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