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DoomedTX 08-28-2011 10:11 AM

I'm reading the Dec 2010 "NAT Doc 007" and the best information I can find out about widths is from the required lateral accuracy, described like this:


1.3.3 In terms of accuracy, an aircraft which is approved for operations within NAT MNPS Airspace shall have a navigation performance capability such that:
a) the standard deviation of lateral track errors shall be less than 6.3 NM (11.7 km);
b) the proportion of total flight time spent by the aircraft 30 NM (56 km) or more off the cleared track shall be less than 5.3 x 10-4;
c) the proportion of total flight time spent by the aircraft between 50 and 70 NM (93 and 130 km) off the cleared track shall be less than 13 x 10-5.
The way I read the standards, there is no real track width; everything is defined by how far you (intentionally or otherwise) deviate from track centerline.

Incidentally, if I'm doing the math right, an 8-hour flight would be allowed less than 4 seconds between 50-70 NM off course and 15 seconds > 30 NM. So you'd pretty much better be right on course as much as possible unless cleared otherwise.

I always feel like they'd let us fly in circles way down where the Herks cross in the 15-19 range, but we practice as if we were up in the tracks with the rest of you.

chi05 08-28-2011 10:58 AM

Thanks guys. Like I said I haven't seen the test yet so the question could be referring to the lateral separation between tracks. That would make more sense to me. I did read about the RNP required in MNPS airspace and I agree that the tracks don't have a defined width, there's just a set tolerance in regards to lateral deviations.

Just trying to prepare for this test if and when the call comes. I heard it's a beast.

dogismycopilot 08-28-2011 01:34 PM

NAT Doc 007 8.1.5 states:


MNPS was established primarily with the NAT OTS environment in mind. The defining waypoints of OTS tracks are specified by whole degrees of latitude and, using an effective 60 NM lateral separation standard, most adjacent tracks are separated by only one degree of latitude at each ten-degree meridian.
and 12.3.1 states:


The general concept of these Oceanic in-flight contingency procedures is, whenever operationally feasible, to offset from the assigned route by 15 NM and climb or descend to a level which differs from those normally used by 500 ft if below FL410 or by 1000 ft if above FL410.

FailOperational 08-29-2011 10:18 PM

just curious, with all the public gouge on what the questions are on the on-line test (I've seen at least two posts with questions in them), and such... has Atlas changed the test and more over, have they upped the required pass score on this test? I'd heard it was 66%, is this still the case?

Anyone have some good links to study materials on the weather and NAT parts? I've found some thru google, but it's very lengthy... seems like there should be some one or two page study guides out there..

thanks and good luck to all..

chip1 08-30-2011 05:12 AM

I took the test a couple of weeks ago and the test has changed in some ways. However, there is no gouge floating around with 100% of the questions. Most I have seen was about 40 questions, and only about 25 of those were on my test. The gouge really didn't help much but did give me an idea of what to study and what areas to have open in the book/google.

Pirate 08-30-2011 06:05 AM


Originally Posted by chip1 (Post 1046456)
The gouge really didn't help much but did give me an idea of what to study and what areas to have open in the book/google.

+1

What he said.

JerrySpringer 08-30-2011 01:23 PM


Originally Posted by Polarfr8dog (Post 1044994)
I don't go back to work until the second week of September so I'll look again then.

Lazy S.O.B.

After reading this thread I'm glad you got me the job before all this testing crap. Hell, I could barely fog the mirror....

Hope to see you out on the playground....

Polarfr8dog 08-30-2011 02:56 PM


Originally Posted by JerrySpringer (Post 1046746)
Lazy S.O.B.

After reading this thread I'm glad you got me the job before all this testing crap. Hell, I could barely fog the mirror....

Hope to see you out on the playground....


Hope to see you too! And yes, this testing stuff is way above and beyond my gray matter but thats not saying much!

My tan lines and fishing gear are up to par now so i'll be heading back to work. See ya kround campus i'll buy the first one.... Two months without seeing an airplane guess i better go earn my pay now!

Take care buddy! Cheers!

FailOperational 08-30-2011 07:09 PM

Well, about to take the online assessment! I can't tell you how nervous I am!

Read the entire thread, thanks so much for those Atlas guys who took the time to pass on info.

Any last minute advise before I log on? Going to be on a hotel connection and using a Mac computer. Also, is there 3 answers to choose from and are they all close? Or is at least one a "throw away"?

Thanks all and best wishes!

twoshadesblue 08-30-2011 07:28 PM


Originally Posted by FailOperational (Post 1046895)
Well, about to take the online assessment! I can't tell you how nervous I am!

Read the entire thread, thanks so much for those Atlas guys who took the time to pass on info.

Any last minute advise before I log on? Going to be on a hotel connection and using a Mac computer. Also, is there 3 answers to choose from and are they all close? Or is at least one a "throw away"?

Thanks all and best wishes!

There are 3 answers not really a clear "throw away" on some. Make sure you read the answers completely don't jump on the first answer you think is correct without reading the remainder for time sake! :) Also, pay attention to detail on units of measurement questions (nm, sm, kts, m, ft, km, etc). Look at NAT stuff (WX avoidance procedures, how far are the tracks apart, etc), SLOP, balanced field length w/wet rwy, METAR, NOTAMS.

Good Luck! I never seen 60 mins disappear so fast ;)


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