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Originally Posted by WacoQCF
(Post 3246929)
Atlas isn’t for everyone, but I haven’t loved a plane or a job more. Had a blast for the 3 years I was there - left only for a paycheck. If you are flexible and adventurous, it’s a blast.
The pay and work rules are now the worst in the entire industry; and arbitration may cause it to be that way permanently. Overall it wasn’t doom and gloom, but you are worth a ton more. Layover hotels weren’t perfect everywhere, but generally were good to great, as crew rest is the real reason for the comfort. International travel was always business or better for the same reason - and mostly enjoyable. When you get home though...whew, it’s a couple days of hard nap time. Not sure how anyone stays alive to retirement. Fun. I ride on Brown and Purple often - they do a different job all together, but I think the Atlas job was more fun/adventure. They do have great perks, and it’s still a goal. |
Originally Posted by John Dietrich
(Post 3246934)
Great post! I could not agree more. Atlas is a great place to work, if nothing else, because we provide our pilots with food on the airplanes. Competitive pay isn't even required. Everyone knows pilots will fly just for the food. I think I even saw a tee shirts about that.
BAM here it is = Yes we need more compensation in all areas..... Regarding myself only, here’s my skinny/lifestyle having posted this recently elsewhere regarding ACMI: Yup, Majors, LCC are great for planning a very lucrative future and stability as best you can in one of the most unsure industries in the world. Young, planning for a real family it’s time to work for a living and most flying isn’t work comparably speaking of course. ACMI is not for everyone by any means but it offers so much dependent on what you enjoy in life. If you just go by numbers $$$ etc it totally makes sense looking at other outfits from the outside. Slave to youngsters at home, elderly needs, in-law needs, spouse requirements/strength/independence (inability to function on their own) ACMI will not bode well for you especially if that’s your jam so it’s not recommended. If you have a superior other half and/or support system you can do your job effectively and efficiently; therefore, ACMI flying is quite the opposite of mundane point to point rinse repeat every few hours, every day, every other week and you get well paid for it. It’s not all roses by any means, but many of us get our travel done well before 65 when venturing out won’t be that easy and on your dime and time. I have family in Europe and the Far East so there’s one caveat. Speaking for myself I truly enjoy going to so-called “work”, having breakfast with friends in Korea, dining with our folks and FedEx/Brown buds in Japan, chilling with fairly senior buds from the Majors at Dukes in Hawaii (they hate it, same carousel runs, but it’s fun to see them), chilling at our favorite eat sites in Hong Kong (not for awhile now), hanging out on the beach in Australia or even killing time with the crews favorite beverages wherever and so many other places. ALL PRE-PANDEMONIUM!!! Just for myself, it’s free travel with friends and 2 weeks of vacation at the house with my favorite person and our(her) dog. Time zones, long blocks of time away, $, retirement, there are always issues wherever you are dependent on your priorities. I planned my retirement, have no planes, Ferrari’s, ex-wives (so farhttps://www.airlinepilotforums.com/i...ilies/wink.gif, extended family anchors, etc. Day 9 at home typing this, 7 more before I leave for 16 days (it’s not always this nice) but 14 is my norm chilling at home with some housework. This really is the “I would quit my job, but I would lose all my rest/travel/authentic food benefits, etc.” for me specifically. Hotel manager gave me a tour 2 weeks ago of the ball room where the Nuremberg Judges ate/drank/were merry all night long during the trials. It’s been amazing and I will continue as long as it or I last. Biggest reason: We have some really great folks! - my take. Misery loves company perhaps, possibly but to each their own as I have dug ditches before... *Overall, it is a good time for some and miserable of others. Honest truth, this could be the best job/career in the industry hands down but the frustration is it most likely can’t/won’t meet everyone’s expectations. You must keep trying though, never give up and kudos to those in the trenches making it better for the rest of us. Stay, don’t stay and get your “dream job” elsewhere. I wish everyone the best in their endeavors. Be safe |
Applied last month with only 2200 TT but 1500 Jet and 250 TPIC. All 135. 2 super mid PIC types with no training issues.
Think I have a shot? |
Originally Posted by bu87
(Post 3247599)
Applied last month with only 2200 TT but 1500 Jet and 250 TPIC. All 135. 2 super mid PIC types with no training issues.
Think I have a shot? |
Originally Posted by bu87
(Post 3247599)
Applied last month with only 2200 TT but 1500 Jet and 250 TPIC. All 135. 2 super mid PIC types with no training issues.
Think I have a shot? I’d go for it if I were you. Good luck! Cheers, blink Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by C17B74
(Post 3247417)
John Dietrich, that is hilarious - Liked CEO’s 1st post ever!
BAM here it is = Yes we need more compensation in all areas..... Regarding myself only, here’s my skinny/lifestyle having posted this recently elsewhere regarding ACMI: Yup, Majors, LCC are great for planning a very lucrative future and stability as best you can in one of the most unsure industries in the world. Young, planning for a real family it’s time to work for a living and most flying isn’t work comparably speaking of course. ACMI is not for everyone by any means but it offers so much dependent on what you enjoy in life. If you just go by numbers $$$ etc it totally makes sense looking at other outfits from the outside. Slave to youngsters at home, elderly needs, in-law needs, spouse requirements/strength/independence (inability to function on their own) ACMI will not bode well for you especially if that’s your jam so it’s not recommended. If you have a superior other half and/or support system you can do your job effectively and efficiently; therefore, ACMI flying is quite the opposite of mundane point to point rinse repeat every few hours, every day, every other week and you get well paid for it. It’s not all roses by any means, but many of us get our travel done well before 65 when venturing out won’t be that easy and on your dime and time. I have family in Europe and the Far East so there’s one caveat. Speaking for myself I truly enjoy going to so-called “work”, having breakfast with friends in Korea, dining with our folks and FedEx/Brown buds in Japan, chilling with fairly senior buds from the Majors at Dukes in Hawaii (they hate it, same carousel runs, but it’s fun to see them), chilling at our favorite eat sites in Hong Kong (not for awhile now), hanging out on the beach in Australia or even killing time with the crews favorite beverages wherever and so many other places. ALL PRE-PANDEMONIUM!!! Just for myself, it’s free travel with friends and 2 weeks of vacation at the house with my favorite person and our(her) dog. Time zones, long blocks of time away, $, retirement, there are always issues wherever you are dependent on your priorities. I planned my retirement, have no planes, Ferrari’s, ex-wives (so farhttps://www.airlinepilotforums.com/i...ilies/wink.gif, extended family anchors, etc. Day 9 at home typing this, 7 more before I leave for 16 days (it’s not always this nice) but 14 is my norm chilling at home with some housework. This really is the “I would quit my job, but I would lose all my rest/travel/authentic food benefits, etc.” for me specifically. Hotel manager gave me a tour 2 weeks ago of the ball room where the Nuremberg Judges ate/drank/were merry all night long during the trials. It’s been amazing and I will continue as long as it or I last. Biggest reason: We have some really great folks! - my take. Misery loves company perhaps, possibly but to each their own as I have dug ditches before... *Overall, it is a good time for some and miserable of others. Honest truth, this could be the best job/career in the industry hands down but the frustration is it most likely can’t/won’t meet everyone’s expectations. You must keep trying though, never give up and kudos to those in the trenches making it better for the rest of us. Stay, don’t stay and get your “dream job” elsewhere. I wish everyone the best in their endeavors. Be safe |
Originally Posted by John Dietrich
(Post 3246934)
Great post! I could not agree more. Atlas is a great place to work, if nothing else, because we provide our pilots with food on the airplanes. Competitive pay isn't even required. Everyone knows pilots will fly just for the food. I think I even saw a tee shirts about that.
Do not mistake - the pay was crap, the work rules were poor, and I left as a pretty junior FO. I’m not going to lie, I made my trips fun. Way more fun than brand X. |
Question on a monthly guarantee.
First year MMG is 50... Does that mean you only get scheduled 10-11 days since the rig is around 4.85 per day? |
Originally Posted by MaCrOs
(Post 3247936)
Question on a monthly guarantee.
First year MMG is 50... Does that mean you only get scheduled 10-11 days since the rig is around 4.85 per day? |
Originally Posted by RyeMex
(Post 3247963)
No, schedule will usually be 17 days per month (depending on the fleet). So, you will *probably* make more than min guarantee. However, if you’re ever sick, get home reserve, or choose not to go to training on your days off, then you’ll be getting 50 hours for that month.
Training on days off? So they schedule you training in addition to 17 days on? |
Originally Posted by MaCrOs
(Post 3247970)
10.1.1
Training on days off? So they schedule you training in addition to 17 days on? Training bids are executed via seniority order. |
Can you let a potential candidate know how many flight hours one can expect on each fleet let month?
Any fleet that has pretty consistent overnights in Orlando area? |
737. Not sure if we still fly to Lakeland. Last month I flew 3h and this month 20h scheduled. July 18h scheduled. No idea about other fleets.
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Originally Posted by MaCrOs
(Post 3248181)
Can you let a potential candidate know how many flight hours one can expect on each fleet let month?
Any fleet that has pretty consistent overnights in Orlando area? 737: 15-25 hours 747: 70+ hours 767: 40-60 hours 777: 70+ hours |
Originally Posted by C17B74
(Post 3246856)
Maybe posted already:
747: June 7, June 28, July 19 767: June 1, June 21, July 12 777: June 1, July 26 737: June 21 As everyone returns to service it’s getting tougher and tougher to fill I’m sure. Thats so exciting! I have an interview tomorrow. Any guesses as to where they'll put me if they like me? |
Originally Posted by IamNotARobot
(Post 3248228)
Thats so exciting! I have an interview tomorrow. Any guesses as to where they'll put me if they like me?
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Originally Posted by CRJJ
(Post 3248207)
737. Not sure if we still fly to Lakeland. Last month I flew 3h and this month 20h scheduled. July 18h scheduled. No idea about other fleets.
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Originally Posted by C17B74
(Post 3248354)
Setspeed knows my projected scheduled later this month, dang he/she is a wizard. Scheduled for about 70 hrs, probably be 62... It’s a 13 day 19hr time away so I won’t have any rig, but worth it.
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Originally Posted by Setspeed
(Post 3248208)
I'd be estimating for any plane not the 767 but--
737: 15-25 hours 747: 70+ hours 767: 40-60 hours 777: 70+ hours If you live in MCO that could work. |
Originally Posted by IamNotARobot
(Post 3248228)
Thats so exciting! I have an interview tomorrow. Any guesses as to where they'll put me if they like me?
Mind if I ask when you applied? |
Originally Posted by IamNotARobot
(Post 3248228)
Thats so exciting! I have an interview tomorrow. Any guesses as to where they'll put me if they like me?
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Originally Posted by Crusoe
(Post 3248524)
If they sense how eager you are to be based somewhere you can get Orlando layovers - they will send you to Anchorage where you will only see Florida when you go to Miami for recurrent. But if you pretend you want Anchorage…
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Originally Posted by Setspeed
(Post 3248208)
I'd be estimating for any plane not the 767 but--
737: 15-25 hours 747: 70+ hours 767: 40-60 hours 777: 70+ hours |
Originally Posted by Air Guitar
(Post 3248610)
what are the junior bases for each fleet?
747: ANC 767: newhires get CVG but for now can bid ONT while still in training 777: CVG I believe |
Originally Posted by DreamCatcher
(Post 3230281)
Anyone recently applied to the pathway program for the 737 and got an update yet? Also wondering if someone knows what bases 737 FO usually get?
Oh, and the 737 only has a CVG base. I've heard different things about what planes they're hiring on, but it sounds like they're hiring for all of them. But I've also heard that the 737 is overstaffed, so not sure why they would be staffing it more haha. |
Originally Posted by IamNotARobot
(Post 3248808)
Hey can you tell me your perspective of what exactly is the pathway program? I just got an interview with Atlas, and I was looking on the job site. I have about 1700 hours. Thanks, good luck!
Oh, and the 737 only has a CVG base. I've heard different things about what planes they're hiring on, but it sounds like they're hiring for all of them. But I've also heard that the 737 is overstaffed, so not sure why they would be staffing it more haha. |
I think I got a lot of info on this thread - thank you all!
One question - if one was to be assigned 747, knowing ANC is the most junior base, how fast can one expect MIA or something closer to Florida? I don't mind getting to/from ANC and all but imputed taxes on those flights would probably kill the paycheck. |
Originally Posted by MaCrOs
(Post 3249842)
I think I got a lot of info on this thread - thank you all!
One question - if one was to be assigned 747, knowing ANC is the most junior base, how fast can one expect MIA or something closer to Florida? I don't mind getting to/from ANC and all but imputed taxes on those flights would probably kill the paycheck. |
Originally Posted by MaCrOs
(Post 3249842)
I think I got a lot of info on this thread - thank you all!
One question - if one was to be assigned 747, knowing ANC is the most junior base, how fast can one expect MIA or something closer to Florida? I don't mind getting to/from ANC and all but imputed taxes on those flights would probably kill the paycheck. |
Atlas or Breeze if you had a choice?
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Originally Posted by MaCrOs
(Post 3249842)
I think I got a lot of info on this thread - thank you all!
One question - if one was to be assigned 747, knowing ANC is the most junior base, how fast can one expect MIA or something closer to Florida?. There’s no real standard as to how long you’ll be in ANC or LAX. Anywhere between 6-12 months but you could get lucky. I’ve had three out of my class get MIA after only 12 months. |
Originally Posted by MaCrOs
(Post 3250910)
Atlas or Breeze if you had a choice?
If….and that’s a big IF they will be as successful as Jetblue you’d be better off taking Breeze. However, that will be “regional” style flying for maybe the first 8-12 years. Atlas will get you long haul International on day #1 if you get on the 74 or 77. How many years you have to go? If it’s 40 years then maybe Breeze is a better long term investment in yourself. What style suits you better? If you’re looking for a shorter term gig 3-5 years then move on I’d go Atlas. |
Originally Posted by TiredSoul
(Post 3250945)
I initially used a dirty word but lets give this a swing.
If….and that’s a big IF they will be as successful as Jetblue you’d be better off taking Breeze. However, that will be “regional” style flying for maybe the first 8-12 years. Atlas will get you long haul International on day #1 if you get on the 74 or 77. How many years you have to go? If it’s 40 years then maybe Breeze is a better long term investment in yourself. What style suits you better? If you’re looking for a shorter term gig 3-5 years then move on I’d go Atlas. The 777 essentially is blocking nearly 100 a month, filled with 20 hour days all over the place. Yes I know- but we have a bunk, and I get paid to watch Netflix. Let’s be honest, the way we run our schedules these guys and gals are truly getting beat up. Hope there is a ittle relief in the next CBA, but I think we know how that will go. |
Originally Posted by boeingdvr
(Post 3251087)
Long haul international. Haha. That cracks me up. Let’s just call it what it is. A 17 day beat down filled with min rest and being married to the jet.
The 777 essentially is blocking nearly 100 a month, filled with 20 hour days all over the place. Yes I know- but we have a bunk, and I get paid to watch Netflix. Let’s be honest, the way we run our schedules these guys and gals are truly getting beat up. Hope there is a ittle relief in the next CBA, but I think we know how that will go. |
Well, change is coming one way or another. I certainly don't expect to get everything we want, but there are significant changes to the way the RIG and patterns are handled for pay that are positive.
One of the most glaring issues is that currently, you can be forced to gateway to your base up to 24 hours in advance, and then the trip can delay for day or so and you are still not on the clock. |
Originally Posted by WhipWhitaker
(Post 3251175)
I’m blocking 45 hrs this month on the 777, and crediting 72. If you think this job is tough, I can introduce you to some people who actually work for a living. I’d tell you to quit, but you don’t even work for Southern.
Mesa airlines gets 76 hours to do hub turns from DFW-AMA. |
Originally Posted by Atlas Shrugged
(Post 3251221)
Well, change is coming one way or another. I certainly don't expect to get everything we want, but there are significant changes to the way the RIG and patterns are handled for pay that are positive.
One of the most glaring issues is that currently, you can be forced to gateway to your base up to 24 hours in advance, and then the trip can delay for day or so and you are still not on the clock. On the other hand you can casually arrive at your base strolling thru the Airport before heading to the hotel and the phone lights up. Answer or not hmmmm, but sometimes Bam, now your Business class to XXXX for the next 8hrs clocks ticking however so slowly/33% but chilling out. Yes, screw sessions run rampant out there but there are chinks in the armor. I know, not our job like many things but being that slippery eel is advantageous. *If your are adverse to “change” and need a solid schedule, do NOT come here as we pop up as a synonym.... |
Originally Posted by Atlas Shrugged
(Post 3251221)
Well, change is coming one way or another. I certainly don't expect to get everything we want, but there are significant changes to the way the RIG and patterns are handled for pay that are positive.
One of the most glaring issues is that currently, you can be forced to gateway to your base up to 24 hours in advance, and then the trip can delay for day or so and you are still not on the clock. |
Originally Posted by boeingdvr
(Post 3251259)
Mesa airlines gets 76 hours to do hub turns from DFW-AMA. |
Originally Posted by boeingdvr
(Post 3251259)
Right. That’s not normal and we both know it. 90% of bid lines are 90+ hours block hours. CVG-ICN, for life. A whole 72 hours to fly a 777 around the world ? You’re giving away 400-450 hours of your time to make 72
Mesa airlines gets 76 hours to do hub turns from DFW-AMA. |
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