Junior Captains: 747-1/17, 777-1/19, 767-8/17, 737-12/19

777 is misleading though as Southern upgraded several just prior to the merger that probably would not have been able to upgrade after the merger. Not sure what the most recent bid award junior captain was for it.

For the record, Scott L of Atlas posted the vacancies for Southern at that time. It wasn’t some backroom deal that Southern snuck through.

And for the record, I'm not saying that anything shady went on pre-merger. I'm just pointing out to someone who is not on property to not expect to upgrade on the 777 in less than 4 years.

A new hire may never see upgrade here. We have over 1500 FO’s.

Let’s face it. We only upgrade a handful during the year, and shut down in the 4th Qtr.

Easy math.

Thats quite alright as they rotate in/out with the 500/year that leave.

Handful? Like few hundred a year in widebodies. That's quite a bit more than a handful. And it looked like we did not "shut down" in the 4th quarter. Do you even look at the vacancy emails?

People have been saying this same thing for as long as this thread has been going (10+ years), and it hasn't happened yet.

Of those 1500 FOs, there are a few “career FOs” that will likely never see the left seat, lots of FOs still bypass the upgrade, a few live abroad and don’t want to upgrade because they won’t be able to bid lines that allow them to keep living abroad comfortably. The average attrition remains 25-40/month, 5-10 retires a month, and 8-20 upgrades/month, I would say as long as we don’t lose an entire fleet, those upgrade time will remain fairly accurate

I recently received an invitation to do an initial interview with Atlas. I applied to the pathway to success program as I only have 1500 hours of GA time. They seem a few weeks out even for the preliminary interview. What can I expect as far as the interview timeline and process if moved forward in the process? How many interviews are there?

There is no significant growth. Except for rare exceptions, it’s FO’s that are leaving. Upgrade times will, IMO, continue to increase and seniority progression for Captains will stagnate.

When I upgraded the upgrade times were around 3 years. They’re now about 5.5 years as I recall and it’s only been 4 years. That’s not a good trend for people looking for an upgrade, or for the junior Captains.

“A few hundred a year in upgrades. That’s laughable. The last 2 vacancies had zero on the 767 and a handful on the 77/74.

Like it or not, our upgrade is trending in the wrong direction.

Latest vacancy had 12 747/777 upgrades. Previous vacancy had 12. One before that had 18 WB upgrades. Averaging around 200-250 a year. What is laughable?

There is a big difference between vacancies and upgrades. Oftentimes vacancies in base are filled by CAs moving from one base to another.

And so far they have seemed to backfill almost all of them. That is why for the past 5 years the jr upgrade times have stayed very consistent.
That is also why there were 4 767 CA upgrades in 2023-01 vacancy award, even though there were no vacancies for 767 CA. And why there were 5 ANC 747 CA upgrade awards, even though there were no 747CA ANC vacancies.

Junior upgrade times have absolutely not stayed “very consistent”. Back in 2018-2019 the upgrade time on the 767 was down to 2 years. What is it at now?

I could be off in my timing by a year or two, irrelevant to the point. For some years, be it 3 or 4, it's been around 5 years and hasn't moved much.

+1

I'm trying to understand the entire interview process as well. Secondly, is the salary information in Airline Pilot Central accurate?

Thanks.

first year is correct at $92/hr. The rest are still on the DOS scale. We are now on DOS+1. So for the first officers add about $4/hr to what they have on APC.

So far your comment ages like milk.

I guess we will see how the next 10 months goes.

let’s keep defending our 5 year 767 CA upgrade ( trending in the wrong direction) What’s delta’s again 4 months ?

It's $94.76 now, hourly rate currently incrementing September every year.

Year 2 $13X an hour for the wide body fleets (X depends on fleet)

I wasn't defending anything, I was just stating the facts.

Can anyone quickly outline the interview process?

Phone screen, company presentation, technical interview and HR. Very low threat.
There is a thread about it in the interview experience section.

I agree with Dera here, super chill interview process. Make sure you meet the mins and the logbook is in order. They will send a technical study guide and that should cover most of it.

First year pay is actually $95/hr now (well, more accurately, $94 and some change that rounds up) for all fleets first year.

As you said, the pay is about 6 months out of date.

Interviewed Oct 25, and just got an offer for the 777 on April 10.

Perfect! Thank you, Gentlemen.

Congrats, man.

If people can go to Delta and upgrade in 4 months, by all means they should go to Delta. But we've never really been a direct peer of Delta's.

You make a good point about upgrade times, though. They're pushing
out, freight rates are dropping as is total tonnage. Upgrades will continue, however. We arent shutting down within tje next couple of years. I suspect things will feel "normal" with 5-7 year upgrades to widebodies and shorter times into the 737. All in all not a crisis. But that's just my crystal ball. Nobody really knows what the future holds.

Hire to you furlough comes to mind.

OT has ground to a complete stop. Seems like everyone is sucking wind on 64 hours.

Only way to make money at AAWW is through OT.

New hire class are being pushed out, and smaller class sizes.

If this keep up, you need to be more worried about keeping your job, instead of upgrading.

only reason why we won’t furlough is attrition, stay tuned.

You sure are depressing man.

Lots of things should change at Atlas, but you bending the truth doesn’t help either.

Classes being pushed out to catch up with SIM availability, since new hires are being sent home for months. That’s the only reason.

When you talk to senior guys with 20+ years at Atlas, they explain to you how EVERY year it slows down like this during Chinese New Year.

As I said, TONS of things need improvement here, including the toxicity some people bring to the table.

I'll echo that. Pretty normal to be slow this time of year.

Once WW3 kicks off, we'll have more AMC flying than we can handle. Just make sure you get your premium pay for carriage of munitions.

Article 33 confirmed for flights to Bremerhaven and Gdańsk. You heard it here first, folks.

Add Moscow and Beijing after the nukes stop dropping.
Good times ahead!

Art 33 for Germany?

How come...?

I always thought it was funny someone blows up a bomb at the old Istanbul airport and it’s on the list. Pre Covid the best month I had was flying for Turkish and every leg was Art 33. Someone blows up a bomb at the gate at Ramstein and it didn’t make the list.

The Chinese New Year doesn’t just slow down Atlas lift, it’s global freight travel. Even their domestic cargo practically shuts down for a month. Last year OT dried up exactly how it’s done right now. Ops normal

Stop being realistic. We should all panic. It's over.

Don’t jinx it now…

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