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I Concur and Comply365

is it true Amer-jet pilots get paid more the Atlas 767 Pilots ?

any insight on the details of their new CBA

True! From the union update yesterday:

"With Amerijet’s new contract, their minimum monthly guarantee will be increased to approximately 80 hours a month (13 bid periods at 74 hours per each bid period). Conversely, at Atlas Air, our minimum monthly guarantee is just 64 hours a month.

An Amerijet B767 Captain at maximum pay on minimum monthly guarantee would earn $290,370 a year. Conversely, an Atlas Air B-767 Captain at maximum pay on minimum monthly guarantee would earn $221,937 a year.

A second year Amerijet B767 First Officer on minimum monthly guarantee would earn $126,984 a year. Conversely, an Atlas Air second year B-767 First Officer on minimum monthly guarantee would earn $97,244 a year.

It is important to note, minimum monthly guarantee is also tied to the value of a sick day, vacation day, and a training day."

You've been here for years. You get the same union emails as the rest of us.

From that same email, their lack of amalgamation protection is described as a "major" drawback by our eboard. Considering our contract was significantly delayed for this very issue, and it was cited in many union emails, I feel like we're being a little less than straight with our fellow pilots if we fail to mention this. Pilots get misinformation from recruiters, and we can rememeber some bizarre compensation numbers that were passed out not long ago. Pilots also get misinformed by individuals who think they are helping our cause by trying to scare off potential hires.

Cutting through the crud, you are guaranteed to make more money at Amerijet. That's a fact in the short (2-3 year) term.

To be fair, chances of Amerijet buying someone and amalgamating their contract is very small. I think Atlas has been the only one ever to use that clause. We might have some trauma over it, but I don't see that being a huge issue.

Crazy Ameri-jet pulls in more dough. I’m confident we will one up them next time. Keep up the good fight.

I was just answering their question: "Is it true?"

"Yes, it's true."

I'm not pushing an agenda.

Is there any idea when a new contract could be established by?

The current contract isn't amendable until September 2025. I wouldn't expect anything until a while after then.

Good to know, thank you.

Add another 5-6 years of delaying tactics.
Its proven to work.

Based on history, I’m going to say 2029-2033. It will depend greatly on the state of the industry at that time as well as the economic situation around the world.

If history is your indicator- I would say 2028-2030.

You were being helpful. I interpreted things differently based on some interactions with other people. I apologize. I was wrong about this.

There's a chance for things to get better earlier based on new ownership and management, but hope isn't a strategy. 2030 is a realistic estimate, though.

Hope is not a strategy and a difference does not equal improvement.

Atlas LOVE’s a good economic downturn. Also, a good war.

Makes sense to base the future on historical data if it’s applicable. The fact is a significant change has happened above our pay scales. Could be good might be bad or just the same. We’ll see what actually happens. Probably should give this some time and then judge. Give us some insight if you have been thru such an event with these investment groups from the inside. Some upper echelon meetings coming up. Although we all know business is war and its true focus is to profit whomever and not make us rich, hopefully the current environment is a benefit to all however it may be. There have been some changes and probably more on the way. We may lose some attributes/morph along the way lots of gaps here, but efficiencies will be gained if talent takes over in several areas. Time will tell vs past references.

If nothing else helps maybe the current environment of losing two out of three pilots these past several years will have an impact. New owner - we’ll see.

Any truth to new 767 sims in Tokyo? Can you request those in class?

Those Japan Sims are supposed to begin in about a month. Used for Initial New Hire and Transition. Request? Probably no need.

Yes


Yes. You can request anything, of course. Are you one of those that asks ATC: “ Can we request three five zero?” :D (just yanking your chain)

Seriously….I mean, really. I won’t mention names on this board, but the most efficient and experienced training scheduler loves pistachios. A gift tin of such would go a long way.

She's also nice. I mean you don't have to schmooze for schmoozing's sake. She'll go out of her way to help you out with family, etc. Just don't be a jerk to her.

Yes, you’re exactly right about her.

Apparently, the jovial nature of my intent to get her more pistachios came across as a conniving. My bad. I was just kind of hoping it wouldn’t be taken as “schmoozing” or being a “jerk”. :rolleyes:

I thought I read it a while back but can't find it. Wondering how many days trips typically range from on the 767? I was told the 767 does more domestic flying and has shorter trips than other fleets. Any insight is appreciated.

Page 2 of the Atlas Thread has a "767 Questions" thread.

Everything is subject to change. However; the short answer is you are looking at 2, maybe 3 blocks on a 30 day Primary Line. 3 or 4, maybe 5 blocks on a 60 day line. That equates to 6 to 12 day trips.

Secondary and Reserve lines seem to be done in one or two blocks on a 30 day. There are some single block 30 day Primary lines, but those may be less than 17 days.

Every month is a big surprise when the bids come out. Latest trend I have seen is to just stick a FO on the same flight day after day. No variety.

Thanks a lot, I appreciate the insight!

I don't think you were being conniving at all. I was more trying to build on what you said. I remember folks, myself included, thinking long and hard about approaching her. Just trying to say she's approachable.

Hi everyone, I’m a CA at a regional in the US , currently .
I will soon need to commute from South America , and my current schedule won’t allow that .
Looking into the 74’s 17/13 schedule , is this type of commute realistic ?

Also, I know the upgrade on the 73 is faster than the rest of the fleet , how’s the 73 schedule ? How many legs do you guys do per day, either on the 74 or 73?

Thanks so much for the info .

I lived and flew in Japan for 14 years and get ready for a culture shock and I mean that in a good way. The Japanese leave nothing for chance and leave nothing to chance and go out of their way to make things perfect. It is in their DNA. When our contract ended the wife and I hated to leave. One tip, stay away from Negishi and the Gaijin living areas. Enjoy the culture, get a copy of the Hiragana and Katakana alphabet, there are 42 on each and easy to learn. Note, there are 3 alphabets and Kanji really hard to learn, if not impossible. Learning some language would be a big help, Even a little will go a long way with the Japanese. We lived in Zushi and at first, the only Gaijns in the town. Best move we ever made. Enjoy, you will not regret it.

I wonder if anyone has had experience with the hand held voice translation device. A few words in any language is good to know. More detailed statements and questions would be good for this.

74 ot 77 would help with the commute, especially once you can hold MIA. Those fleets have more 17 day blocks. Depending on where in SA you move to, you probably will have the ability to JS on one of our jets.

73 or 76 schedule is one or two legs a day. High probability of 2 or 3 blocks in a 30 day period, complicating your commute.

Look up GTI or 5Y flights on FlightRadar24 to get an idea of the routes, especially those in SA.

Wide body FO will likely pay about as much or more than a bottom of the list 73 CA.

Where in South America is the big question here. For example, Atlas is likely the best job in the whole world for someone who lives in Bogota.
We have quite a few who live in South America and make the commute work.

Skip the 737, it doesn't work for you, and you make more as 747 FO than as a regular 737 CA.

Thanks for the info, i will be commuting from Buenos Aires, EZE.
I understand that the company wont provide a ticket to and from work in this case, any info on how to make this commute work? i take i would have to commute on my days off...
How long would it take to hold MIA?

Right now on the 747, MIA is at 12 Months. You should be able to at least escape ANC before finishing OE. On the 777, you could get MIA before finishing training.

I am showing an EZE flight once every 5 or 6 days... to SCL. Things change. You can always grab a cabin Jump Seat or just use miles. Or bid Secondary and hope to begin with a DH to SA. Not the most difficult location to commute from that I have heard of, but creativity and patience will be required.

Oh yeah for sure. I have family living there and would've just liked to get a chance to visit them while on company training.

Anyone know the latest most junior captain hired for all bases?

Regarding Atlas and other ACMI carriers....do they give preference to former 135 freight applicants or do they hire out of the 91/135 fractional/corporate ranks?

Either/or.
Meaningful experience can come from many backgrounds.