Why is the 767 fleet best at Atlas?

Thank you.

The term "competitive" is the hard part to quantify. You will get a job, but I am speaking out of turn regarding Atlas. I don't have that information so please forgive me if I am off point.

My thoughts are that you have more than enough for restricted atp, but you will still need ATPCTP. Atlas has one: https://www.atlasairtrainingcenter.com/atp-ctp/

For what it is worth, VA benefits can be used to pay for a 747 type rating, or at least I have seen it on one of the government sites.

There is probably a program to pay for the ATPCTP course with GI Bill or some other military/veteran program.

It seems like everyone has a military transition program. If you're going to be CONUS in October, I think Atlas is going to be at RTAG in Ft Worth. Might be good chance to get face to face. Reach out to [[email protected]]

I hope I said something useful.

I would just caution to not conflate a 747 type rating with an ATP.

Those are two separate certificates. Theoretically, a private pilot can earn a 747 type rating. Likewise, you can earn a single engine ATP. Neither option is very useful, but it's legal.

Whether or not an applicant should earn an ATP before applying is not my business to say, but personally, I wouldn't waste any time or money on a 747 type rating for two reasons:

1) The new hire will have to complete the entire Atlas 747 type rating course anyway. Pass or Fail.
2) You'll probably just confuse yourself due to "Law of Primacy" when differences emerge between the generic type rating and the specific Atlas training.

All good points, Skipper. I agree with you completely.

I sort of rambled and probably could have written it better. Regarding the ATP, at no point did I intimate or intend to conflate the ATP with any rating.

I was talking about veteran education benefits.

The point was that IF veteran benefits will pay for a type rating, then they might also pay for the ATPCTP with the same funding programs.

That's really what I was getting at...

This is BS. The law of primacy is BS. You can easily remove from your brain what you dont want, and learn the new ways. I've flown the same plane with 3 different airlines with different ways of each, and did not have any problem at all switching it all around.
If you cant do that, maybe you just shouldn't be a pilot.

Spoken like a new guy with one type rating and very little experience. Zero big airplane experience, right?

It's okay and helpful to study ahead, but you need to be aware of potential pitfalls. If you're not aware of pitfalls, it's best to wait. I think Zero is saying you should be careful you don't screw yourself up, and only you know how your mind works. As for the law of Primacy, it is definitely not BS. You gotta respect the way your brain works, but you also have to respect the way your crew's brains work. So if you think you'll benefit from leaning in early, do so. Just make sure you can approach the material in a way that doesn't contaminate what you need to know with what you already know.

Taking a type rating course somewhere else is overkill and probably negative training.

Oh we’ve got an arrogant one here. It’s called a LAW for a reason. Meanwhile, you are a relative baby in the industry and you appear to have flown nothing bigger than a dinky, phallic-shaped crj.

Universally, bad attitudes and unchecked arrogance drive the most failures in training. You will do well to sit down, shut up, and gain wisdom before arrogantly declaring long-held truths as “BS”.

Then you're the exception rather than the rule. The most non-standard guys I've ever seen - in and out of the sim - were the ones with 2-3 different airlines flying the same type. They all thought they were God's gift too, but not having flown with you, I'll take your word for it, and congratulate you on being the exception to the rule.

The fact that you admit the need to remove info from your brain to learn a different technique only reinforces the “LAW” of primacy. It takes effort to undo fundamental learning and retrain the brain. It just so happens that all my years as a weapons and small unit tactics instructor in the military was predicated on teaching fundamentals. Didn’t matter what unit, tier, or branch of service, the primacy of proper fundamentals was the single most important building block to good outcomes on two-way gun ranges. I dare say that your arrogance is dangerous both in my former life as well as in our current lives in aviation.

Not sure flying the 172 at three different flight schools counts. But ok.

Hi all, I have been very interested in joining Atlas and have been lurking in here for a while. I extremely appreciate all the info and contributions by long- and recent-timers alike. It has been very helpful, and has mostly made me more excited about the prospect of getting on.

I know of pilots going from B1900 straight into the 747, at Atlas even, and a good friend recently went from Twin Otter to 777 at Purple and is doing great. However, this is the first time I have seen this sort of thing regarding Atlas...

I have 7800+ hours, been with a foreign ACMI company (turboprop) for the last 10 years, but have previous 121 time from the early 2000s including DHC-8. Certainly no heavy international time. And, honestly, I have been out of the US system for a long time. Should I be concerned?

I have no desire for the legacies, as the schedules and commuting would not really work for me at all, and I am used to and prefer having chunks of work followed by chunks of time off. Kalitta is the only other company I am considering at the moment.

Thanks again for the thousands of contributions, which I have combed through most of over the last few months.

I am hoping to apply soon, but am on a 5 week rotation overseas at my current job. I have decent internet access adequate for online meetings, in case I land an interview while I'm here, but have only my current logbook with me. What exactly is the logbook process, and should I wait till I get home and have the rest of my logbooks, or is that something that is taken care of later?
Many thanks...

Can someone explain the process after the phone screening?

How long to wait for an answer... Who is my answers to thier phone screening going to? Et.

Airline regulations are very similar from country to country. If you have the right to work in the US, the technical challenges will be minor. You weren't doing B-ATPs or Avro 748s, were you? You mat want to think about the prop to jet transition. Its not difficult, but there are some things you need to think about.

7 to 10 days to get an Answer. Interviews via Team's.

Corporate presentation, big group, cameras off, you can type questions at the end.

HR Interview with 1xHR, 1xPilot, maybe 1xUnion Rep. Know what ACMI is and don't lie about failures.

Tech Interview 1x Current or Retired Atlas Captain.

Then you will hear final results in 7 - 10 days... possibly shorter.

You will receive a packet of info for your tech interview along with a slide of topics and terms to discuss. You have enough time to study the info on the packet, so you should know every term. Very low threat Tech Interview. More a case of "do you care enough to have studied. Aviation Interviews . com is a good source for both HR and Tech panels, but be cautious. There are personal opinions and answers based upon prior employer ops specs. Bottom line, review the questions and find the answers in the FAR /AIM, FAA AC's, and weather.gov publications.

HR: Captain shows up drunk, what do you do? (great time to incorporate company values), What is ACMI, why Atlas, what did you do to prepare for the interview, what if delta calls you, who else have you applied for, you are the FO and Pilot Flying durring an emergency...who flies and who does the checklist... would you be offended if the captain takes the controls.

Tech panel: Brief description of current aircraft system. Define SLOP, CRM, TEM. Discussion about route packet, study every bit of ink. My questions pertained to Turbulence ( don't forget about jetstream core and cold side), altitude on a DP, brief an ILS ( don't forget about expected taxi plan), Copilot calls go around while you are min fuel (not emergency fuel) 500 agl and vmc on short final, what do you do.

fleet allocation
 

Hi
I have received an email from Atlas today that I've been offered a CJO, but in the email, they've given me the B747 class date.
747 was the fourth preference for me and I told them in my interview...Do you think I can contact them to change the type or what should I do?As I'd prefer to go for 777 or 737...
any advice/help in that matter ?

Out of curiosity, why on gods earth would you prefer the 737 at Atlas?

domestic ops i guess

Doesn't make sense if you had 777 in there, as it does no domestic flying?

Just go to a regional. Pays much better than 737 here with better schedules and benefits.

I don't mind international, just the schedules of 47 are all over the place.

You can certainly ask. Another poster had been offered 767and asked about an earlier class date. They were offered the 737 with an earlier date.

All they can do is say no. It is only a 2 year seat lock. That time will go by quick.

Thanks for the info

do you have any info on training ?
I want to start studying..
do they use CPAT for systems ?anyone knows ?

Shortly before your start date, one or two weeks out, you will get access to AtlasU for your CPATs. Please do them before Indoc, or be really close to having them all done. You will likely be told by HR that you don't have to start them before arriving in MIA, but to me that is legal speak for, We aren't paying you yet so we can't make you do work.

You will get your IPad with access to the FCOMs, FOM, training syllabus, panels, IAIs, QRH, Flows, etc on Day One.

I don't mind studying now, my class date is not till late Nov/early Dec...im happy to start studying, I don't need to be paid for my own good:)

Study materials
 

You are going to want until you get Atlas materials, so that you learn Atlas specific procedures, call outs, etc. Here are some generic materials you might consider:

121 Regulations
North Atlantic Tracks
Boeing Flight Crew Training Manual

Thanks, nope no ATPs or other British aircraft, just Canadian. I have thought about it a lot, but what kind of things do you mean? I was mostly inquiring about what was said about Atlas's training. I am looking forward to the change, and also ending up at an American company I can retire with.

Systems are not Company specific.
Use anything you can find online, YouTube etc etc etc.
Just keep in mind that electrical system is somewhat different between freighter and pax versions.
B747 Systems

Systems are not company specific, but sweater guy talks about a different variant than what you study in training, so need to filter some of that information.
Say "EECs go to ALTN mode when reversers are activated" in your oral, and the DE will know you watched the sweater guy.

Before the -8 and 787 Boeing did build aircraft to customer specifications. Just look at the hydraulic panel. How many auxiliary hydraulic pumps are there? What powers the hydraulic demand pumps? Which is why there are all the notes about specific tail numbers in the FCOM.

Which is why it’s a 747-8, not a -800. Those extra digits specify the customer option package. Kind of like a Camry SE vs XLE. These days Boeings only come one flavor because their specs are more determined by leasing companies than airlines. They need airliners to be easily traded between client airlines and not concerned that the galleys or systems don’t match.

The -8's still have plane-specific differences, so saying they are all the same is not accurate.

Based on the info you’ve shared here, you’re prime for Atlas. Best of luck, I hope you get the call.

Thanks, Wano, appreciate that. I’ll keep lurking around, and will make an update if anything happens.

Cheers..

B737
 

Any info on B737 training?
Length?
is it CBT or class based ?how many sessions sims ?
how are the instructors and the training in general ?

I just finished up with the 737 training last month. Plan on being in Miami for 90 days. The training is broken down like this. 1 Week indoc, 1 week Ground school. 1 week of CBTs and the rest of the time are simulators with the Oral and Type ride. Once you finish up your type you still have 4 Sim sessions left.

Is it still a 3 month wait for OE?

Last rumor I heard was ~6 weeks. Not likely that I’ll be used this month.