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No updates for this month - no vacancy award while the training department tries to play catch up.

Hard to say. 5+ for the 767. Probably the same same for the -400 and 777.

You have to understand we have nearly 2000 First Officers out of 3000 pilots. It’s possible a new hire may never see the left seat without substantial growth.

we have 10 year FO’s planning their next move. I wouldn’t come to Atlas thinking your getting in the left seat anytime soon.

People will still upgrade here. Whether it's 3 years or 7 years depends on a number of factors. The only way people never upgrade is if they choose not to or we face an ABX scenario. This is always a possibility but there aren't signs of it just yet.

"ABX scenario" do you mean DHL dropping 75% of their flying and all their US domestic freight causing an 80% RIF at ABX in 2009 and parking 100 aircraft? Lets hope not.

That's exactly what I mean. Worst-case scenarios for us are better than that since we're diversified. I'm not saying it can't all go to pot. While there are signs of an economic slowdown, I don't see thee quarters of the airline disappearing anytime soon.

True, diversified in this market may seem to help. Purple is having a few tremors while Brown was smart with their “Better not Bigger” approach it seems. Cost Control is a major factor along with a strong customer base (contracts). Always better than being at the forefront of the public pendulum, granted we’re just a few notches below the snowball at times.

TPA/LAL?
 

Hey all - I see the TPA base, in fact thats to cover LAL, yes? They put you on a shuttle van or something?
Tried searching the threads, apologies if this has already been covered.

We actually don't do any flying out of LAL on any of the fleets. If we were to start, then yes you would get transportation with a car service over to Lakeland.

tampa base has no Tampa flying, or Tampa overnights. The old saying is, want overnights in a base, don’t be based there.

Just curious ... under what kind of scenario would a pilot hired today see an upgrade in 3 years? Could it actually happen under the current growth forecast or is there some growth plan that has yet to be announced?

People leave the 737 all the time creating vacancies there.

There were a few for last month (I haven’t looked at this one since I’ll probably be in training for…ever?).

To add to this comment: Literally just had 3 year upgrades into 737 PDX post-merger. Anyone’s guess if that continues. Personally, my money is no, but 737 CA pay isn’t particularly compelling when compared to widebody FO, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

I feel ya. Painful transition, and lucky if we get done before the end of the year. 4.5 months before heading to OE is my guess. 73 training took like 2 months :D

After talking with another new hire, who told me in the interview they were hiring foreign pilots, having a foreign pilot ask me about getting hired at Atlas, and having just looked at the latest Atlas Air hiring page, Atlas is hiring foreign pilots, without a US passport/green card/right to work in the US.
From the Atlas Air FO job page:
If you want widebody, you need an FAA unrestricted ATP, with a valid passport, with no travel restrictions. There was NO MENTION of any a US passport/green card/visa to work in the US to apply.
If you want 737, you need an FAA restricted/unrestricted ATP. There was no mention of any passport at all.
I have heard, that some of our foreign pilots that have been hired without any US right to work, have taken 9 months or more, to get the right to work permission. You would be on first year pay, and not flying, until you got the paperwork completed.

According to several new hires I have talked to, Atlas will work with foreign pilots to help get them the right to work in the US.

And, all of the above, has nothing to do with the Australian special visa program, for Australians to fly for a US company.

Wish it was true, but it isnt. Ive asked and tried. It's a no go.

you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about here, no matter how many times you insist.

It’s just not happening. Maybe the odd one or two, but it’s costly and very time consuming. The classes are still full, and E3 visas are a piece of cake for Atlas, so as long as the above doesn’t change, I don’t see much change in the foreign policy

Agreed, haven’t we been down this road 5-6 times already.

Doesn’t matter what you see on the web pages, the only foreign pilots getting hired have a Green Card, a E-3 visa or marry an American or a wife with the right to work in the US.

Please stop encouraging other foreign pilots, it’s a huge waste of time

How DARE you question Cliff! He obviously knows more than any of us…the aliens told him everything during his abductions! He sees all, he knows all…and has the foil hat to prove it!

You could easily be right, that Atlas is not hiring foreign pilots without the right to work.
If so, then Atlas needs to change it's minimum requirements on the hiring page, because they are wrong.
And, all the people in the HR process needs to stop telling our interviewees and new hires that what is on the minimum requirements hiring page is correct.

I’m working on getting the green card as we speak and can categorically state that Atlas HR told me they will only recruit with a GC in hand.

That's what me and CRJJ have been saying for a long time. There is no pathway to a visa for a non Aussie pilot.

Good luck! I’ve just been through it and wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy!

Little thick coming from the guy who claims to be a senior CA here, yet doesn't even know how our bid line guarantee works.

They are also saying that training will be 6 to 8 weeks and upgrade will be 4 to 5 years. So there are a lot of things that they need to correct

Regretting your decision?

Definitely folks do wherever they may be, but if you’re an Aussie here who lives in Sydney the outbasing there could be nothing but a great thing with one caveat: once you depart you may get lost in Asia or Europe for awhile and not return til the end of the tour. Maybe some Aussies can let others know how this is going/goes. No investment from myself, just curious.

Anybody knows what hotel Atlas uses during training?

They have several hotels that they use. My class is in Home2Suites.

Our class was split between the Home2 and the Residence Inn.

Got the job offer today. See you guys soon.

Maybe you should change your name to 5Ypilot2be? Congrats

Haha. Thank you. It probably is time to change my name.

I never claimed to be a senior Captain. On the 737 I would be a senior Captain…but on the 747, 767, and 777 I fall slightly behind the middle of the pack. I’m not even sure what you are referring to with the BLG comment.

Aren’t you the guy telling all the prospective hires that they can easily get 150 hours a month?

Hope you enjoy your time here.

Yep, that goes to new hires these days.

You were the one looking at bid package and claimed nothing credits over 105 hours, back when the lowest line was above that.

"Soon" Being in 4-5 months?

Thank you. Based on everything I have read, I very much will.

That's sooner than six months. It's all relative.