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Old 07-25-2015 | 09:50 AM
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Have you ever flown night freight? The attrition rate is high, because it sucks. Worse than most guys anticipate. As a 737 FO you're not getting paid as much as you would as a RJ Captain. You certainly won't fly very much. 61 hour guarantee, that you will never, ever break. If you live in CVG it may be tolerable. If you have flown night freight, if you understand what it means to be chronically fatigued, bone-tired every single night, you won't be too shocked by the job.

Upgrade requires "...either 2500 TT and 1000 PIC in "Large Group II Transport Category aircraft (turbojets above 41,000 lb), or 1500 SIC in Large Group II Transport Category aircraft (turbojets above 41,000 lb) and 500 hours company time" so its at least a year away, unless you have 1000 PIC time in another large jet, which it sounds like you may not.

There are worse jobs than Southern Air 737 FO. Not many. But there are some.

RJ Captain isn't one of them.
You are doing it wrong..... but that's not surprising. I've been doing the night freight gig for 25 years and have never been "chronically fatigued and bone tired every night".

Your 737 ops is cake. Easy trips. Now if your rest facilities in CVG and layover hotels suck, then that's on your "union", but the job itself is easy.
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Old 07-25-2015 | 11:02 PM
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I've been doing the night freight gig for 25 years and have never been "chronically fatigued and bone tired every night".
Perhaps you should speak for your own carrier then. I have not met one person here who has not stated that our 737 op is anything but the most physically exhausting flying, ever. As a matter of fact, I've never heard one person claim that night freight of any kind was other than exhausting and debilitating. All the research suggests that failure to follow the circadian rhythm is dangerous, leads to premature aging, lowers metabolism, suppresses the immune system, heck there is even an article circulating on Facebook claiming that it outright causes cancer.

As a new hire, I was told point blank "You will fly tired." I didn't get it. There was nothing in my previous experience that prepared me to even comprehend the level of fatigue that is my new normal. I am fatigued every flight. Every single time I got in the 747 or 777 I was going to be exhausted at some point. Everybody now on the 737 says its even worse than the heavies.
Sure, there isn't a whole lot of flying involved. But neither is there a whole lot of rest. And what rest you do get is precisely opposite of the natural cycle.
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Old 07-26-2015 | 01:18 AM
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[QUOTE=robthree;1937423]Perhaps you should speak for your own carrier then. I have not met one person here who has not stated that our 737 op

You feed the troll, shame!. This guy, Fege, has been proven to be another jerk under another name that kept spouting nonsense. If he really flew cargo and night freight, he would at some time have been fatigued. There is no, "way to do it right".
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Old 07-26-2015 | 08:58 AM
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Perhaps you should speak for your own carrier then. I have not met one person here who has not stated that our 737 op

You feed the troll, shame!. This guy, Fege, has been proven to be another jerk under another name that kept spouting nonsense. If he really flew cargo and night freight, he would at some time have been fatigued. There is no, "way to do it right".
I know, mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.

I just didn't want his BS to fly by unchallenged.

Night freight is a little bit like flying drunk. At best, you're still not at your best. Your brain works slower. You miss things. Usually there is so much of a safety margin that it all works out. Sometimes missing that one little thing kills you.
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Old 07-26-2015 | 09:15 AM
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Night freight is a little bit like flying drunk. At best, you're still not at your best. Your brain works slower. You miss things. Usually there is so much of a safety margin that it all works out. Sometimes missing that one little thing kills you.
100% accurate. It always makes me scratch my head when the FAA allows freight companies to operate under the "cargo carveout."
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Old 07-27-2015 | 04:38 AM
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I hear you but seriously, your crying towels must be the size of like, car covers. What do you do if they can't find room for them on the upper deck? Try to aim it in the lav or just sob onto the floor and trust it finds its way out a mast.

No! You fly this way until you have a heart attack or stroke, or maybe both at the same time. Then, if they don't screw up your rehab too badly and leave you a drooling tranqed-out zombie; you can sell all the crap you slaved so hard over and move into a trailer park near a lake, eat cat food, ride a three wheeler and pray the crystal meth freaks next door don't try to steal it.
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Old 07-27-2015 | 06:43 AM
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[QUOTE=robthree;1937569]
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I know, mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.

I just didn't want his BS to fly by unchallenged.

Night freight is a little bit like flying drunk. At best, you're still not at your best. Your brain works slower. You miss things. Usually there is so much of a safety margin that it all works out. Sometimes missing that one little thing kills you.
Not BS if you work for a reputable operator. Then again, you work for SAI, so maybe things are as bad there as you claim.
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Old 07-27-2015 | 07:08 AM
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[QUOTE=Fegelein;1938121]
Originally Posted by robthree

Not BS if you work for a reputable operator. Then again, you work for SAI, so maybe things are as bad there as you claim.

Do we know if this guy is even a pilot? Maybe he read a book about flying once?

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Old 07-27-2015 | 08:01 AM
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[QUOTE=MaydayMark;1938131]
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Do we know if this guy is even a pilot? Maybe he read a book about flying once?

It's the internet. You never know. I could claim to be an MD-11 Captain, if I wanted to.
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Old 07-27-2015 | 10:37 AM
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As they said in "The Untouchables, " Who would claim to be that who was not?"
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