Atlas Purchases Southern Air
02-06-2016, 05:06 AM
#161
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Originally Posted by longhauler
I found what you are talking about, that's great, you're stuck at first year pay for three years, much better. 
Subsection 32.B. shall not be applicable to
such new-hires until they reach their second (2nd) year of Company
Longevity; provided, Crewmembers in their second year of Company
Longevity and assigned to Light Lift Aircraft as defined below shall
remain at their first year rate of pay until they reach their third (3rd)
year of Company Longevity.
Subsection 32.B. shall not be applicable to
such new-hires until they reach their second (2nd) year of Company
Longevity; provided, Crewmembers in their second year of Company
Longevity and assigned to Light Lift Aircraft as defined below shall
remain at their first year rate of pay until they reach their third (3rd)
year of Company Longevity.
02-06-2016, 06:28 AM
#162
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Originally Posted by mukalel
And then do you go to your 4th year pay??
02-06-2016, 08:36 AM
#163
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Had wrote a more detailed post, regarding all of this - got lost while trying to post it. In short:
So, discussing possible 737 pay rates at this point is rather a moot point.
- Atlas has no intention of integrating the companies. "Merger" is never mentioned, only "acquisition" and "subsidiary". Are acquisitions and subsidiaries covered in any CBA, or is this a legal interpretation issue?
- SAI was under-represented in the first meeting. They are seen as being totally irrelevant. The SAI MEC rolled over to the whims of the 1224 and Atlas union. Atlas management sees the only purpose of the SAI union presence, as an opportunity to whipsaw the Atlas union with the threat of CBA "amalgamation".
- It is not fiscally expedient to run both companies together. SAI operational costs are just too cheap to pass up. Why would Atlas purchase them and immediately move to a more expensive operational model?
- Any rhetoric from Atlas to the contrary is a red herring (alluding to integration in the future), used in an effort to stall or irreputably damage the ability of the Atlas union to effectively negotiate their CBA
- Atlas management is constantly stating that this deal is still predicated on DOT and other entity approval and that it is no where close to being finalized or realized. I doubt that it is their true intent to purchase Southern... unless they get to run it completely separately into perpetuity.
- If the purchase is ever finalized, unless the Teamsters/1224 can force an immediate integration which might not be legally possible, we are all collectively scr*wed.
So, discussing possible 737 pay rates at this point is rather a moot point.
02-06-2016, 10:22 AM
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Items to at least consider:
1. "Missouri Senators Clare McCaskill and Christopher Bond, concerned about the seniority integration treatment of employees at Trans World Airlines ("TWA") following its purchase by American Airlines and integration of the two airlines' operations and workforce, introduced legislation to guarantee labor protective provisions to airline employees with respect to seniority integration for certain covered transactions.
The legislation, known as the McCaskill-Bond statute, was signed into law in December 2007 and is codified at 49 U.S.C. § 42112."
2. NMB Single Carrier Status
3. SAI; CBA Section 1 Successorship language
They were never coming back from this meeting all smiles.
1. "Missouri Senators Clare McCaskill and Christopher Bond, concerned about the seniority integration treatment of employees at Trans World Airlines ("TWA") following its purchase by American Airlines and integration of the two airlines' operations and workforce, introduced legislation to guarantee labor protective provisions to airline employees with respect to seniority integration for certain covered transactions.
The legislation, known as the McCaskill-Bond statute, was signed into law in December 2007 and is codified at 49 U.S.C. § 42112."
2. NMB Single Carrier Status
3. SAI; CBA Section 1 Successorship language
They were never coming back from this meeting all smiles.
02-06-2016, 10:24 AM
#165
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Originally Posted by Diesel8
Atlas has no intention of integrating the companies. "Merger" is never mentioned, only "acquisition" and "subsidiary". Are acquisitions and subsidiaries covered in any CBA, or is this a legal interpretation issue?
"Atlas fully plans to integrate the crew groups, as well as the Southern certificate into Atlas. We have received multiple assurances that Southern will not be operated as a parallel operation or double-breasted operation. Bill Flynn sated, and I quote, “We have a goal of one team, one Atlas.” After meeting with him, we do believe that those are his intentions. Atlas states that the regulatory process of merging the Southern certificate into Atlas could take 15 months."
Seems like a merger to me...
02-06-2016, 10:46 AM
#166
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Originally Posted by METO Guido
As drafted? When reaching 3 years of accumulated company service (unless defined otherwise) you resume contract scale progression. 3 year B scale anyway you slice it. Going to need bigger lanyards it seems.
02-06-2016, 10:52 AM
#167
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"Atlas fully plans to integrate the crew groups, as well as the Southern certificate into Atlas. We have received multiple assurances that Southern will not be operated as a parallel operation or double-breasted operation. Bill Flynn sated, and I quote, “We have a goal of one team, one Atlas.” After meeting with him, we do believe that those are his intentions. Atlas states that the regulatory process of merging the Southern certificate into Atlas could take 15 months."
Items to at least consider:
1. "Missouri Senators Clare McCaskill and Christopher Bond, concerned about the seniority integration treatment of employees at Trans World Airlines ("TWA") following its purchase by American Airlines and integration of the two airlines' operations and workforce, introduced legislation to guarantee labor protective provisions to airline employees with respect to seniority integration for certain covered transactions.
The legislation, known as the McCaskill-Bond statute, was signed into law in December 2007 and is codified at 49 U.S.C. § 42112."
2. NMB Single Carrier Status
3. SAI; CBA Section 1 Successorship language
They were never coming back from this meeting all smiles.
1. "Missouri Senators Clare McCaskill and Christopher Bond, concerned about the seniority integration treatment of employees at Trans World Airlines ("TWA") following its purchase by American Airlines and integration of the two airlines' operations and workforce, introduced legislation to guarantee labor protective provisions to airline employees with respect to seniority integration for certain covered transactions.
The legislation, known as the McCaskill-Bond statute, was signed into law in December 2007 and is codified at 49 U.S.C. § 42112."
2. NMB Single Carrier Status
3. SAI; CBA Section 1 Successorship language
They were never coming back from this meeting all smiles.
NMB Single Carrier Status - this is a possible solution, have seen some Teamsters documents regarding this issue. The thing here is time and expense.
Quick perusal of the SAI CBA shows "merger" only, and is considered such only if the operations/infrastructure are taken up the successor company. If SAI remains standalone, this is a moot point. Lots of holes in that one.
Gotta go, have a show time.
02-06-2016, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by longhauler
They, Southern has 23 more coming.
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