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Originally Posted by CallmeJB
(Post 2053171)
Or so that we can sign a 777 contract with SonAir; they've been rumored to want 777s for a long time.
There are three ways to do that: 1. Add passenger operations, management, and administration to Southern's OpSpecs. 2. Add the 777 operation, training program, and management to Atlas OpSpecs (redundant to Southern's operation). 3. Merge Southern into the Atlas certificate. My money (and hope) is on option 3. Merging certificates is a big task, but then you can start a passenger operation the next day, and realize several other benefits of a merged operation. |
Originally Posted by Globe Master
(Post 2052226)
Titan owns 6 777's
LAN has 3 more, |
Originally Posted by Spike from flyi
(Post 2053174)
Hang on! What's this about passengers? I'm gonna have to start wearing pants!
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Originally Posted by USMCFDX
(Post 2053251)
Are three of these 777's the planes that TNT operates? Wonder if that lease automatically defaults to FedEx in the buyout and FedEx assumes those leases.
OO-TSA OO-TSB OO-TSC (Atlas also owns 2 AeroLogic 777's and one Emirates 777) I would hope that Atlas brings the TNT planes back stateside for us to fly... 8 |
Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER
(Post 2053326)
OK. I thought this Atlas/Southern thing was gonna be a good thing, but if you guys are runnin around the flight deck in your under britches THAT'S where I draw the line !!!
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I've heard more than once that the 3TNT birds will be online here at FDX sometime by July..... who really knows!
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Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER
(Post 2053326)
OK. I thought this Atlas/Southern thing was gonna be a good thing, but if you guys are runnin around the flight deck in your under britches THAT'S where I draw the line !!!
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Originally Posted by Globe Master
(Post 2053477)
It's just spike, you don't want to have that picture stuck in your mind. 😀
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Just like that Atlas captain based in ANC!
I still have nightmares.
Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER
(Post 2053326)
OK. I thought this Atlas/Southern thing was gonna be a good thing, but if you guys are runnin around the flight deck in your under britches THAT'S where I draw the line !!!
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Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER
(Post 2053326)
OK. I thought this Atlas/Southern thing was gonna be a good thing, but if you guys are runnin around the flight deck in your under britches THAT'S where I draw the line !!!
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Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER
(Post 2053326)
OK. I thought this Atlas/Southern thing was gonna be a good thing, but if you guys are runnin around the flight deck in your under britches THAT'S where I draw the line !!!
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#Atlas/Southern "Merger"
We've got to hold on to what we've got
Cause it doesn't make a difference If we make it or not We've got each other and that's a lot For love - well give it a shot Whooah, we're half way there Livin on a prayer Take my hand and we'll make it - I swear Livin on a prayer We've got to hold on ready or not You live for the fight when it's all that you've got -Bon Jovi |
Originally Posted by M0NG0
(Post 2053531)
Carrots optional...
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Originally Posted by anothermember
(Post 2053508)
Just like that Atlas captain based in ANC!
I still have nightmares. |
Originally Posted by anothermember
(Post 2053508)
Just like that Atlas captain based in ANC!
I still have nightmares. |
Really? You guys are making a big deal out of such a small thing.
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Originally Posted by Diesel8
(Post 2053720)
Really? You guys are making a big deal out of such a small thing.
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Originally Posted by Diesel8
(Post 2053720)
Really? You guys are making a big deal out of such a small thing.
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hmmm, and i have a southern air interview coming up....
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Originally Posted by RusCo
(Post 2054077)
hmmm, and i have a southern air interview coming up....
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DUI? nope.
No accidents, incidents or violations. 4 year degree, etc, etc, etc |
Sorry, you can't be considered without a DUI. How else can SAI keep you unless you're unemployable elsewhere?
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What happened when Polar was bought by Atlas? What happened to those pilots? Merged seniority lists? Furloughs? etc.
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Originally Posted by Packrat
(Post 2054389)
Sorry, you can't be considered without a DUI. How else can SAI keep you unless you're unemployable elsewhere?
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Maybe I can "pencil whip" a DUI
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Originally Posted by JustAsapIt
(Post 2054400)
What happened when Polar was bought by Atlas? What happened to those pilots? Merged seniority lists? Furloughs? etc.
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Originally Posted by NightIP
(Post 2054511)
Merged list.
I worked with a few of "furloughed" guys from Polar during their so-called furloughed. IIRC, they got a chunk of back pay from that little maneuver. |
Originally Posted by Thedude
(Post 2054616)
How many years did that take??
I worked with a few of "furloughed" guys from Polar during their so-called furloughed. IIRC, they got a chunk of back pay from that little maneuver. It took many years because of personality clashes between the two ALPA MECs that dragged out negotiations. The seniority integration required arbitration. All of this transpired before my arrival. I can say that once we were merged the transition went smoothly. I never witnessed any conflict in the cockpit. I'm sure it happened. |
Originally Posted by Thedude
(Post 2054616)
How many years did that take??
I worked with a few of "furloughed" guys from Polar during their so-called furloughed. IIRC, they got a chunk of back pay from that little maneuver. Most importantly, The IBT is very willing to file a single carrier petition, which ALPA is not. Purchase completed in May (+/-). If necessary, the IBT files single carrier. In any case, the IBT presents the merged list to management. 9 months of negotiations, then to the arbitrator. Merged contract 3 months later. The time line is pretty firm. Thank God that we are not ALPA. |
Originally Posted by 742Dash
(Post 2054934)
The situation is now entirely different. Both Southern and Atlas are in the same union, and one that has a clear seniority list merger policy.
Most importantly, The IBT is very willing to file a single carrier petition, which ALPA is not. Purchase completed in May (+/-). If necessary, the IBT files single carrier. In any case, the IBT presents the merged list to management. 9 months of negotiations, then to the arbitrator. Merged contract 3 months later. The time line is pretty firm. Thank God that we are not ALPA. |
Originally Posted by Thedude
(Post 2054616)
How many years did that take??
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Originally Posted by FreighterGuyNow
(Post 2061129)
14 years.........
Southern just booked me on a commercial flight for next week.. 16.5hrs... In Economy. That's just inhumane... My back needs the merger ASAP... |
Originally Posted by Packrat
(Post 2054389)
Sorry, you can't be considered without a DUI. How else can SAI keep you unless you're unemployable elsewhere?
A checkride bust is acceptable in lieu of a DUI. ;) |
Originally Posted by FreighterGuyNow
(Post 2061129)
14 years.........
Very different situation this time. Thanks, though, for guessing. You were close. BTW, How's the SLI game going over at your airline? 8 |
Originally Posted by sandrich
(Post 2061162)
Hopefully not that long this time...
Southern just booked me on a commercial flight for next week.. 16.5hrs... In Economy. That's just inhumane... My back needs the merger ASAP... "Scheduling? Hi. I'm fatigued. Not going to Miami today." "But... You're deadheading!" "I know. And I'm done. Get me a hotel room." "But... you can't fatigue on a deadhead!" "Wanna bet?" |
Originally Posted by gringo
(Post 2062048)
The only time I ever called in fatigue was after a 17 hour cattle-class flight from PVG-JFK. Was supposed to continue to MIA, but I pulled the plug in Kennedy.
"Scheduling? Hi. I'm fatigued. Not going to Miami today." "But... You're deadheading!" "I know. And I'm done. Get me a hotel room." "But... you can't fatigue on a deadhead!" "Wanna bet?" |
Originally Posted by ImperialxRat
(Post 2062292)
I'm not familiar with your work rules.. How can you deadhead for 17 hours and then go right into flying?
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Originally Posted by sandrich
(Post 2062387)
I think what he meant was it was a 2-leg deadhead PVG-JFK-MIA and he banged out fatigued in JFK. I would've done the same...
Good times. |
Originally Posted by gringo
(Post 2062048)
The only time I ever called in fatigue was after a 17 hour cattle-class flight from PVG-JFK. Was supposed to continue to MIA, but I pulled the plug in Kennedy.
"Scheduling? Hi. I'm fatigued. Not going to Miami today." "But... You're deadheading!" "I know. And I'm done. Get me a hotel room." "But... you can't fatigue on a deadhead!" "Wanna bet?" |
Originally Posted by HVYMETALDRVR
(Post 2062451)
Did you get a phone call from the CP after that?
"Why did you fatigue out on a deadhead?" "Because the company put me on a schitty middle row seat on a schitty Chinese carrier for a mind-numbing 17 hours in a ratty beat up A340. My back is killing me, my @ss hurts from the crappy seat and I've got the runs from whatever it was they fed me on that God-awful flight." "Ok, thanks!" And that was the end of that. |
That's because your good buddies with DH, and you can do no wrong! Your just so lucky!
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