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NikeBuddy 01-19-2016 10:48 AM

They did seem to just contradict themselves on the call. I think ultimately Teamster by-laws re going to dictate this.

Desk Jockey 01-19-2016 11:30 AM

Perhaps a "hint" was given within the article pasted in the link below?

A senior aircraft-leasing company executive familiar with Amazon’s plans said the company has approached several cargo-aircraft lessors to line up the planes. The company has had talks with Air Transport Services Group (ATSG), Atlas Air and Kalitta Air, according to sources, though Kalitta Chief Executive Connie Kalitta denied he has talked with Amazon.

Because Amazon doesn’t have an Air Operator’s Certificate, which it needs to fly airplanes commercially, it would have to turn to cargo-jet lessors to launch the business.

Amazon in talks to lease Boeing jets to launch its own air-cargo business | The Seattle Times

744driver 01-19-2016 11:46 AM


Originally Posted by Gnaw (Post 2050686)
Atlas' contract is pathetic also, so we are all on equal footing there.

Yeah, right.

The Atlas CBA is no FDX, or DL, etc but you really need to investigate further before you have credibility on that statement.

jdlilfan 01-19-2016 12:19 PM


Originally Posted by atpcliff (Post 2050543)
Southern air had committed to 27? 28? 737 for DHL domestic hub flying. Last I heard they had only managed to crew about 5, because the T&C for the CVG based 737 were so terrible.

What is the current 737 situation exactly???

Merger will either be agreed upon by both pilot groups, or it will go to arbitration...due to newer laws passed by Congress after the AA/ TWA debacle.

The issue is they can't find enough solid air frames to lease. DHL just got outbid again on two of them.

starship 01-19-2016 12:32 PM

I could see Atlas selling the Florida West certificate to Amazon that has 767's on it. Really no need for it since Atlas can place 767's down in MIA for any LAN flying if they so wish to continue it.

Spike from flyi 01-19-2016 01:08 PM

They can only whipsaw us if we let them. With the help of Mr. Hoffa, we didn't let them use Florida West as a weapon against us as they had planned. I suggest that if we link arms, trust our 1224 leadership and behave fraternally toward each other, this could work out very well for all concerned. I'm willing to give it a try.

longhauler 01-19-2016 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by starship (Post 2050810)
I could see Atlas selling the Florida West certificate to Amazon that has 767's on it. Really no need for it since Atlas can place 767's down in MIA for any LAN flying if they so wish to continue it.

No aircraft.


Operators of the aircraft

Delivery date Airline Registration
11/10/2007 Japan Airlines JA633J
07/11/2010 Florida West Airlines N422LA Stored 03/2015
01/04/2015 ABSA Cargo PR-ACQ

Boeing 767 - MSN 35818 - PR-ACQ
Airline ABSA Cargo

Status : Active
Registration : PR-ACQ

Airline ABSA Cargo

Country : Brazil
Date : 1995 -
Codes M3 TUS
Callsign : Absa Cargo
Web site : LAN TAM United States - LAN.com

General information & flightlog

Serial number 35818 LN:960
Type 767-346ERF
First flight date 01/10/2007
Test registration
Plane age 8.3 years
Seat configuration

Flights recorded
RF771 LAX->MIA 19/06/11
See details - Add a flight
Engines 2 x GE CF6-80C2B2

longhauler 01-19-2016 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by Spike from flyi (Post 2050829)
They can only whipsaw us if we let them. With the help of Mr. Hoffa, we didn't let them use Florida West as a weapon against us as they had planned. I suggest that if we link arms, trust our 1224 leadership and behave fraternally toward each other, this could work out very well for all concerned. I'm willing to give it a try.

I agree +1

Globe Master 01-19-2016 02:45 PM

My Union speaks for me!

Lets let them get a handle on this before we go bashing each other around.

I see positive things, even if it does bounce me out of the left seat for awhile.

Almost There 01-19-2016 02:45 PM


Originally Posted by Spike from flyi (Post 2050829)
They can only whipsaw us if we let them. With the help of Mr. Hoffa, we didn't let them use Florida West as a weapon against us as they had planned. I suggest that if we link arms, trust our 1224 leadership and behave fraternally toward each other, this could work out very well for all concerned. I'm willing to give it a try.

Agreed. It is really all you can do at this point. Its not like management is going to come to the pilot groups and ask " what can we do for you to make this transition easier and better for the pilots".
Bruce Jenner probably had a better transition than pilot groups have ever had.
Good Luck my Brothers & Sisters. Stay Together.


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