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METO Guido 01-21-2016 10:59 AM

Atlas owns 3 triples through its dry lease subsidiary Titan. This move, if transacted as announced, adds diversification and gains more control of the DHL component. Reportedly meeting with 1224 tomorrow?

captainv 01-21-2016 11:04 AM


Originally Posted by sandrich (Post 2052146)
Evidently Atlas is interested in the 737-800 freighter. Not sure if this means they want to try and swap DHL's 400s that Southern currently flies and replace them, or use them to supplement a new fleet of 800s.

As far as the LAN birds- if the one we currently fly is any indicator as to the level of "South American" maintenance standards, the rest of them won't be any gems. Every time I fly that bird there's no fewer than 8 MELs and they're different ones every time.

Interesting. Even with our CBA, good luck staffing 737 FOs...

The 767-200s they gave us to start in CVG had been scavenged for every good component during their years in the weeds. They want us to fly hangar queens? That's fine. Make sure everything is written up every leg and get a full briefing from the mechanic and maintenance control, too, prior to every departure to make sure we're being safe.

All In. All Together!

Globe Master 01-21-2016 11:09 AM

Titan owns 6 777's
LAN has 3 more,

METO Guido 01-21-2016 11:17 AM


Originally Posted by Globe Master (Post 2052226)
Titan owns 6 777's
LAN has 3 more,

Interesting. LAN is rumored to be moving out of 777 leases because of fleet alignment with TAM and the addition of A350 flying there. The freighter's becoming an unintended casualty.

TimmyR 01-21-2016 12:23 PM


Originally Posted by captainv (Post 2051956)
Sarcasm doesn't always come through the interwebs. Ask me how I know! :D

OK...how do you know?


All In!

(and ROFLMAO)

Whistlin' Dan 01-22-2016 12:07 PM


Originally Posted by Malex4u (Post 2052142)
Atlas management is in MIA at our training center right now briefing staff. The company wants a merger as soon as possible.

I can see the advantage to them of telling you that they want a merger. But what would be the advantage to them of actually merging the companies? Or more specifically, of merging the pilot seniority lists?

alohastyle22 01-22-2016 12:31 PM


Originally Posted by Whistlin' Dan (Post 2053093)
I can see the advantage to them of telling you that they want a merger. But what would be the advantage to them of actually merging the companies? Or more specifically, of merging the pilot seniority lists?

The ability to slide the 777 flying over and pick up a new 777 customer using Atlas and Southern pilots. This acquisition seems to be heavily weighted towards the desire to be in the 777/737 market. Southern doesn't own any of their airplanes. The value seems to be in being able to assume the flying that southern already has under their certificates.

CallmeJB 01-22-2016 01:32 PM


Originally Posted by Whistlin' Dan (Post 2053093)
I can see the advantage to them of telling you that they want a merger. But what would be the advantage to them of actually merging the companies? Or more specifically, of merging the pilot seniority lists?

Or so that we can sign a 777 contract with SonAir; they've been rumored to want 777s for a long time.

There are three ways to do that:
1. Add passenger operations, management, and administration to Southern's OpSpecs.
2. Add the 777 operation, training program, and management to Atlas OpSpecs (redundant to Southern's operation).
3. Merge Southern into the Atlas certificate.

My money (and hope) is on option 3. Merging certificates is a big task, but then you can start a passenger operation the next day, and realize several other benefits of a merged operation.

Spike from flyi 01-22-2016 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by CallmeJB (Post 2053171)
. Merging certificates is a big task, but then you can start a passenger operation the next day, and realize several other benefits of a merged operation.

Hang on! What's this about passengers? I'm gonna have to start wearing pants!

FL450 01-22-2016 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by CallmeJB (Post 2053171)
Or so that we can sign a 777 contract with SonAir; they've been rumored to want 777s for a long time.

There are three ways to do that:
1. Add passenger operations, management, and administration to Southern's OpSpecs.
2. Add the 777 operation, training program, and management to Atlas OpSpecs (redundant to Southern's operation).
3. Merge Southern into the Atlas certificate.

My money (and hope) is on option 3. Merging certificates is a big task, but then you can start a passenger operation the next day, and realize several other benefits of a merged operation.


In order for #2 to happen this deal would have to get DOJ approval by end of February and a Passenger 777 up and running by end of April. Atlas makes things happen but that is a tight timeline but good luck!

I'm not sure what the 744 burns an hour but I'm sure there's a huge cost savings with 2 engines on a 14 hour flight.


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