WOW way off..... the 3100 and 3200 are a common type and BOTH REQUIRE 2 pilots. . . . The 4100 is a different type from the 3100 series. And it too requires 2 pilots.

You're right, the HP 137 Jetstream, the Jetstream 200 and the 3100 are all the same TCDS and I just read the first one. The HP 137 and Jetstream 200 only require one pilot, the 3100 does require two pilots.

If the aircraft requires 1 pilot, but insurance requires 2, can the right seat pilot log SIC?

Insurance requirements don't have anything to do with regulatory requirements.

You didn't answer the question.

If the aircraft requires 1 pilot, but insurance requires 2, can the right seat pilot log SIC?

If not, what does the right seat pilot put in their logbook?

The only way the pilot in the right seat can log the time is if it's dual received, they are the sole manipulator of the controls, or if they work for a 135 operator where the operating certificate specifies a need for two pilots.

I did answer the question. Insurance requirements mean nothing in terms of what can be logged and how. If the aircraft doesn't require an SIC per the Type Certificate Data Sheet or operating certificate you can't log SIC.

Since we were talking about Jetstreams, here's the TCDS for the 32. Min Crew is on page 3 http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory...%20rev%207.pdf

He answered the question. Nothing goes in your logbook.

No! Absolutely not!

You can only log SIC if

a) The airplane is type certificated for two pilots. If the airplane is typed for either single OR two-pilot operations, you may chose to conduct two-pilot ops, even if one or both pilots is typed for single-pilot.

b) The FAR you are operating under requires two pilots. This usually means a single-pilot airplane operated under 135 or 121, with an OPSPEC requirement for two pilots.


Non-FAA requirements for a second pilot do NOT allow logging of legal SIC. This includes insurance or company policy. Note that an FAA-approved company OPSPEC is regulatory...but other documents like company memos, bulletins, policy do not count.

You are going for an airplane ride...don't log it. There is no law against logging total time, but some employers might take issue with that when they find out the time was not FAA time. I would not want to have to explain it.

Yeah I guess he did answer the question, I just wanted a good explanation and I think the two of you provided it. I just know many people who have built time that way and I always wondered if the insurance requirement made the logging of SIC legitimate. Apparently not..

Sorry if I got a little short in my answer. I got in a heated argument with a guy buying SIC time at a 135 cargo operator that used metros. When I showed him the TCDS for the aircraft and dug up the OPS SPEC to show him that what he was logging was not legal (guy he was flying with did not have an ATP or current MEI). Ride alongs are neat, but nothing ticks me off more than people that log what isn't legal trying to get an edge. You might as well just make it up.

You can "log" whatever you wish. Remember though, that might come back to haunt you. That person sitting on the other side of the table might have 4000 hours in the MU-2 you did a couple rides in working the radios for the owner and why it was logged as SIC. That could get ugly.

The FARs are pretty clear in what you should log for aeronautical experience pertaining to ratings and currency.