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atpwannabe 10-01-2009 01:01 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 686268)
It is true that single conviction might not disqualify you, but they are likely to drag you through the wringer in the process of making that determination if you have a serious misdemeanor or felony.

Although overall the process may seem objective, there's got to be some subjectivity in there somewhere amongst all of those cases that the FAA has ruled on.

And no, I have no axe to grind.....(as he rolls his eyes to the upper left...whistling).




atp

NoyGonnaDoIt 10-02-2009 04:24 AM


Originally Posted by atpwannabe (Post 687467)
Although overall the process may seem objective, there's got to be some subjectivity in there somewhere amongst all of those cases that the FAA has ruled on.

Of course there is. Absent a regulatory formula and a method of plugging in life events to result in a score (sort of like a credit rating but probably more akin to the Federal Sentencing Guidelines), there is always going to be an element of subjectivity.

atpwannabe 10-02-2009 12:30 PM


Originally Posted by NoyGonnaDoIt (Post 687777)
Of course there is. Absent a regulatory formula and a method of plugging in life events to result in a score (sort of like a credit rating but probably more akin to the Federal Sentencing Guidelines), there is always going to be an element of subjectivity.


ROFLMAO.



atp

rfmanning 10-06-2009 03:34 AM

Good Moral Character?
 
Recent meeting with FAA included discussion issue of new ATP ticket. It is appropriate to ask if applicant has ever had a felony conviction. A positive answer would preclude the designee from issuing the certificate without direction from the local FAA office/legal.

rickair7777 10-06-2009 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by rfmanning (Post 689564)
Recent meeting with FAA included discussion issue of new ATP ticket. It is appropriate to ask if applicant has ever had a felony conviction. A positive answer would preclude the designee from issuing the certificate without direction from the local FAA office/legal.

Are there new standards in the FARs for an ATP? Or is this some internal FAA/FSDO policy?

SomedayRJ 10-30-2009 01:16 PM

Administrative law is the wild wild west, as we're seeing.

I don't remember precisely, but you're not entitled to due process in the criminal or civil sense of the word—like, the Constitutional sense. What you are entitled to is at least some substantive due process: if your certificate is wrongly denied there are appeals processes that do extend all the way to the civilian court system. It just takes a while and a few rulings by NTSB and a few ALJs to get there.

I'm not saying this is right: this is simply how I understand it to be.


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