Question in uncontrolled airspace?
11-30-2009, 04:36 PM
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Question in uncontrolled airspace?
Here is the senerio, you are on a VOR approach, the approach has a procedure turn and the missed approach is based on the same VOR as the approach. The question is: in uncontrolled airspace< class G, what is the procedure if the VOR fails during any time of the approach? Remember you are in uncontrolled airspace.
I can't get a straight answer on this, if you have a reference that would be appreciated!
I can't get a straight answer on this, if you have a reference that would be appreciated!
11-30-2009, 06:57 PM
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If you're still in the soup, you need to climb to MSA and dead reckon to the missed approach point then dead reckon the missed approach procedure. While you're doing that, I'd attempt to establish some kinda radar contact with center, approach, whatever and get a vector. Declare if you need to.
This actually happened to us (sorta) a few weeks ago. Going into an airport with only a GPS approach. Our GPS went blank somewhere outside the FAF (about a mile outside the FAF). I started a max performance climb to MSA while dead reckoning the final approach course as much as possible and called approach, told them the situation and got vectors back around. By the time the GPS came back up, they were able to turn us onto the course and we flew the approach with no problem.
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This actually happened to us (sorta) a few weeks ago. Going into an airport with only a GPS approach. Our GPS went blank somewhere outside the FAF (about a mile outside the FAF). I started a max performance climb to MSA while dead reckoning the final approach course as much as possible and called approach, told them the situation and got vectors back around. By the time the GPS came back up, they were able to turn us onto the course and we flew the approach with no problem.
-mini
11-30-2009, 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by minitour
If you're still in the soup, you need to climb to MSA and dead reckon to the missed approach point then dead reckon the missed approach procedure. While you're doing that, I'd attempt to establish some kinda radar contact with center, approach, whatever and get a vector. Declare if you need to.
This actually happened to us (sorta) a few weeks ago. Going into an airport with only a GPS approach. Our GPS went blank somewhere outside the FAF (about a mile outside the FAF). I started a max performance climb to MSA while dead reckoning the final approach course as much as possible and called approach, told them the situation and got vectors back around. By the time the GPS came back up, they were able to turn us onto the course and we flew the approach with no problem.
-mini
This actually happened to us (sorta) a few weeks ago. Going into an airport with only a GPS approach. Our GPS went blank somewhere outside the FAF (about a mile outside the FAF). I started a max performance climb to MSA while dead reckoning the final approach course as much as possible and called approach, told them the situation and got vectors back around. By the time the GPS came back up, they were able to turn us onto the course and we flew the approach with no problem.
-mini
There is no reference that I am aware for this specific situation, but the above COA sounds good to me. Climb to a known safe altitude and try to stay as close as possible to approach/missed course until you get there.
12-01-2009, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by minitour
If you're still in the soup, you need to climb to MSA and dead reckon to the missed approach point then dead reckon the missed approach procedure. While you're doing that, I'd attempt to establish some kinda radar contact with center, approach, whatever and get a vector. Declare if you need to.
This actually happened to us (sorta) a few weeks ago. Going into an airport with only a GPS approach. Our GPS went blank somewhere outside the FAF (about a mile outside the FAF). I started a max performance climb to MSA while dead reckoning the final approach course as much as possible and called approach, told them the situation and got vectors back around. By the time the GPS came back up, they were able to turn us onto the course and we flew the approach with no problem.
-mini
This actually happened to us (sorta) a few weeks ago. Going into an airport with only a GPS approach. Our GPS went blank somewhere outside the FAF (about a mile outside the FAF). I started a max performance climb to MSA while dead reckoning the final approach course as much as possible and called approach, told them the situation and got vectors back around. By the time the GPS came back up, they were able to turn us onto the course and we flew the approach with no problem.
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12-14-2009, 11:07 PM
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Did you have GPS to use in place of the VOR? A week or so ago I was doing a GPS approach when it blipped on me so I reached up and changed my nav source to the ILS which I had tuned in and carried on in. (Chose GPS over ILS to avoid the procedure turn. I doubt there really is a reference for this sort of thing. It's the very reason you have the MSA altitude there on the chart. When all else fails you have to be a pilot. Fly toward the airport and climb to MSA. Also just because you are not in radar contact doesn't mean you can't communicate necessarily. Missed approach is the correct course of action but you will have to make it up on your own.
Sorry, read that again. Even more so, just because you are in uncontrolled airspace (not out of radar contact necessarily) doesn't mean ATC can't still help you. You gotta use whatever tools you have available but my answer is still the same. Climb to MSA and hook up another navaid or source.
Sorry, read that again. Even more so, just because you are in uncontrolled airspace (not out of radar contact necessarily) doesn't mean ATC can't still help you. You gotta use whatever tools you have available but my answer is still the same. Climb to MSA and hook up another navaid or source.
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