Need knowledable help on part 61.73 situation
12-11-2009, 12:48 PM
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Need knowledable help on part 61.73 situation
I was in flight training in the Navy about 15 years ago. I was a private pilot when I went in, with a fair amount of time towards my instrument. Got taken off the flight schedule for medical issue with 4 flights left in primary. Long story short, never got back on. Just got my medical after 15 years. Have (by FAR definition) almost all the hours requirements for IFR ticket, and Commercial as well.
I sent a request to AOPA for their opinion on if they thought my hours could be "counted" towards the requirements for instrument rating. They said that the "- the navy training may be counted if provided to you, and endorsed properly, by an authorized instructor. This is a person who is/was certificated by FAA under part 61". Military instructors (most likely) are not going to be certificated under part 61 explicitly. Isn't there something implied that they are; - since there are military and civilian aircraft using the same ATC facilities, runways, and airways all over the country??
I don't want to be too optimistic, but just wanted to see if anyone has any experience with this issue specifically. Thanks!
I sent a request to AOPA for their opinion on if they thought my hours could be "counted" towards the requirements for instrument rating. They said that the "- the navy training may be counted if provided to you, and endorsed properly, by an authorized instructor. This is a person who is/was certificated by FAA under part 61". Military instructors (most likely) are not going to be certificated under part 61 explicitly. Isn't there something implied that they are; - since there are military and civilian aircraft using the same ATC facilities, runways, and airways all over the country??
I don't want to be too optimistic, but just wanted to see if anyone has any experience with this issue specifically. Thanks!
12-11-2009, 03:01 PM
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Unless I'm reading your post wrong, you never "graduated from" military training, so 61.73 does not apply to your situation. However 61.41 allows you to credit your military training towards the Commercial/Instrument requirements. So you'll still have to find a CFI to get you current, prepped, and to sign off on you to take the tests; but hopefully it won't be as time consuming as starting from scratch. Hope this helps.
§ 61.41 Flight training received from flight instructors not certificated by the FAA.
(a) A person may credit flight training toward the requirements of a pilot certificate or rating issued under this part, if that person received the training from:
(1) A flight instructor of an Armed Force in a program for training military pilots of either—
(i) The United States...
(a) A person may credit flight training toward the requirements of a pilot certificate or rating issued under this part, if that person received the training from:
(1) A flight instructor of an Armed Force in a program for training military pilots of either—
(i) The United States...
§ 61.73 Military pilots or former military pilots: Special rules.
(h) Documents for qualifying for a pilot certificate and rating. The following documents are required for a person to apply for a pilot certificate and rating:
(2) An official U.S. Armed Forces record that shows the person graduated from a U.S. Armed Forces undergraduate pilot training school and received a rating qualification as a military pilot.
(h) Documents for qualifying for a pilot certificate and rating. The following documents are required for a person to apply for a pilot certificate and rating:
(2) An official U.S. Armed Forces record that shows the person graduated from a U.S. Armed Forces undergraduate pilot training school and received a rating qualification as a military pilot.
Last edited by SR22; 12-11-2009 at 03:25 PM.
12-11-2009, 03:26 PM
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military time applied to civilian ratings
well Boo-Yah! Thanks SR22. That is quite a bit more encouraging. I wonder why the AOPA guy didn't have that handy. BTW - I did get my BFR (3.0 hrs ground, and 5 hrs in the air) done a few weeks ago, and I logged my first PIC time in 16 years... Feels good. I still need the training to get my skills / proficiency up, but this should save somewhere between $7k - $10k in training.
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