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frozenboxhauler 07-11-2013 08:59 AM
Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1442868)
Yup! FOs can now log PIC time on their legs as sole manipulator of controls because they have a PIC type. :D
Sorry ShyGuy, SIC time is still "like taking your sister to the prom".
I have thousands of hours as SIC, sadly it's all about when you were hired and how long you're stuck in the right seat.
fbh

IDIOTPILOT 07-11-2013 09:08 AM
Originally Posted by PeopleMover90 (Post 1442773)
last two comments each got it partially right.

If you are employed by a 121 carrier before 7/31/13, already have an ATP certificate, yet an SIC type, you have until January 1st, 2016, to get your PIC. this is the only grandfathering the FAA put in.
Yours is even less right when you're looking at the details. It's about employment on July 31, not before. Don't necessarily need an ATP on that date either.

"d) Compliance with the requirements of this section is required by August 1, 2013. However, for those pilots who are employed as second in command in part 121 operations on July 31, 2013, compliance with the type rating requirement in paragraph (b) is not required until January 1, 2016."

Southerner 07-11-2013 11:32 AM
I wasn't asking because of logging time. I was just curious what the company was planning to do if all of the FOs suddenly became illegal on Aug 1, 2013.

I'm glad we are grandfathered for a while. I guess in our next sim session we will get PIC types.

frozenboxhauler 07-11-2013 11:37 AM
Originally Posted by Southerner (Post 1443191)
I wasn't asking because of logging time. I was just curious what the company was planning to do if all of the FOs suddenly became illegal on Aug 1, 2013.

I'm glad we are grandfathered for a while. I guess in our next sim session we will get PIC types.
I be that's what you'll do, Southern. A friend of mine at QX said that's what they did.

biigD 07-11-2013 11:43 AM
Heh heh - ShyGuy fooled everyone!

(it was a joke, folks)

80ktsClamp 07-11-2013 01:11 PM
Originally Posted by biigD (Post 1443197)
Heh heh - ShyGuy fooled everyone!

(it was a joke, folks)
Yep... went right by them!

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captjns 07-11-2013 02:20 PM
Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1442868)
Yup! FOs can now log PIC time on their legs as sole manipulator of controls because they have a PIC type. :D
Not if you are not listed on the release as PIC and trained to be PIC.

80ktsClamp 07-11-2013 03:09 PM
Originally Posted by captjns (Post 1443287)
Not if you are not listed on the release as PIC and trained to be PIC.
And him, too...

rvr1800 07-11-2013 04:52 PM
What if an airline has a new hire training class scheduled for August 2? Will those new hires be required to get PIC types? Or even more specific what if you're in training right now and your SIC check ride is scheduled for August 2?

Geardownflaps30 07-12-2013 08:42 PM
Originally Posted by rvr1800 (Post 1443396)
What if an airline has a new hire training class scheduled for August 2? Will those new hires be required to get PIC types? Or even more specific what if you're in training right now and your SIC check ride is scheduled for August 2?
Good Luck. God speed.

Study and prepare for your checkride. Let the company worry about the details. It is NOT your responsibility.


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