hypoxia

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"10. INSTRUCTOR QUALIFICATIONS. Instructor requirements for the ATP CTP can be found in §§ 121.410, 135.336, 141.33, and 142.54. There are two core principles designed into this training program:
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Each subject taught must be related to its applicability to air carrier operations; and
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Concepts learned in the academic portion of the program will be reinforced in the FSTD portion of the course.
a. Baseline Instructor Requirements. To support these principles, all instructors of the ATP CTP must (1) hold an ATP certificate with an airplane category multiengine class rating and (2) have at least two years of air carrier experience. Air carrier experience for the purpose of establishing eligibility to instruct the ATP CTP is defined as experience as a PIC in operations under § 91.1053(a)(2)(i) or § 135.243(a)(1), or as a PIC or SIC under part 121.
b. Instructor Training Requirements.
(1)
Instructors who provide ground and/or flight training must receive initial training on the course material and the following topics:
(a)
The fundamental principles of the learning process;
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(b)
Elements of effective teaching, instruction methods, and techniques;
(c)
Instructor duties, privileges, responsibilities, and limitations;
(d)
Training policies and procedures; and
(e)
Evaluation.
(2)
Instructors who provide training in an FSTD must (1) have an appropriate airplane type rating for the airplane which the FSTD represents and (2) must also have received initial and annual recurrent training from the certificate holder on the following topics:
(a)
Proper operation of flight simulator and FTD controls and systems;
(b)
Proper operation of environmental and fault panels;
(c)
Data and motion limitations of simulation;
(d)
Minimum equipment requirements for each curriculum; and
(e)
The tasks and maneuvers that will be demonstrated in the FSTD.
c."

hypoxia

Companies that specialize in initial ATP ratings or hire "pros" will take the biggest hit!

Twin Wasp

That's not for training for the ATP, that's for the class (ACTP) you'll have to take before you can take the ATP written starting next year.

The first part you bolded is the only real change. Currently there is no ACTP training so no standard for instructors.

The second part is there because there is no requirement for the instructor to hold a FAA Instructor certificate. There's similar verbage in 142.

While 142 does not require the instructor to hold a type rating for the type he's instructing in, you're not going to find many 142s using unrated instructors. At least in the SW region the FAA frowns on that.

hypoxia

How do you think this will impact training centers like FSI where many attendees com for an initial ATP and type? In addition, do flight schools like Allatps have to hire ATP Instructors with 2 years airline experience?

rickair7777

I think the idea is to push the ATP where it belongs...the airline world.

Most likely GA flight schools will just hire off-duty airline pilots looking for spare change in their spare time, should be no shortage of those. No duty limits for ground instruction.

Training centers tend to use typed professionals anyway.

Worst case, if it gets too hard to obtain an ATP "out in town" then everyone will just have to get it during new-hire training. This would be a PITA because you'd have to take the written after taking the course and would add time and expense to new-hire training.

Twin Wasp

The 142 schools will just have another class for the ACTP certification before you take the written. The class is 24 classroom and 16 sim hours so say 8-10 days. Then you go take the written and then you start the class you came for.

The 2 years airline experience requirement is only for the instructors teaching the ACTP class. AllATPs can still have 300 hour CFIs providing flight training in light twins but the student will have to have their ACTP paperwork when they show up.

hypoxia

Thanks for clarifying the ATP Instructor minimums apply to the Certification Training Program aspect of the ATP training!

It seems like there would be a market for the CTP course and if a flight school offers an ATP program they would have to offer the CTP to attract the business. They go hand in hand and the cost of getting an ATP will double to triple with 16 hours of level 4? sim time by an ATP Instructor, two weeks of hotels, etc.!

I can see the airlines compelled to offer the CTP as part of their new hire training to attract qualified applicants. Of course those who come with an ATP in hand will have a week or two seniority over those who don't and the CTP could be used as a screening process as well.

The key is trying to keep them on the property! Obviously the cost to train the new hire for the CTP, knowledge exam, initial ATP and a PIC type rating will certainly be expensive! In addition, the second they get 1000 hours SIC in a 121 environment they blast off to the next highest bidder! This concept of "training contracts" may re-emerge but in reality it is so costly to enforce. You can't get blood from a turnip! Just trying to envision the repercussions of all this crap!