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Old 06-02-2018, 12:23 PM
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This may be good news. The surest way to bury an idea in the graveyard of might-have-beens is to conduct a government study.
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This is gonna happen. It's just a matter of how soon.

The technology has existed for years to automate and remote takeoff to landing with NO pilot on board. Having one Captain on the deck watching every thing is a no brainer.

Most of you are too young to remember the fight over the loss of the flight engineer and before that, navigators.

When the Air Force got INS, the navigators clung on for a few years for air drop missions. Most of the time they slept or did busy work.

Cabin service will be automated as well.
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Most of you are too young to remember the fight over the loss of the flight engineer and before that, navigators.
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Old 06-03-2018, 04:35 AM
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What about mechanics? When can they get rid of them? (me)




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This is gonna happen. It's just a matter of how soon.

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Cabin service will be automated as well.
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Originally Posted by BMEP100 View Post
This is gonna happen. It's just a matter of how soon.

The technology has existed for years to automate and remote takeoff to landing with NO pilot on board. Having one Captain on the deck watching every thing is a no brainer.

Most of you are too young to remember the fight over the loss of the flight engineer and before that, navigators.

When the Air Force got INS, the navigators clung on for a few years for air drop missions. Most of the time they slept or did busy work.

Cabin service will be automated as well.
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Under the current plans of the Air Force they are set to fly the B-52 until 2050, that’s almost one hundred years in service. Haha...kind of funny. A baby just born yesterday, baring good health, should get a chance flying that beast if he’s interested.

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Originally Posted by BMEP100 View Post
This is gonna happen. It's just a matter of how soon.

The technology has existed for years to automate and remote takeoff to landing with NO pilot on board. Having one Captain on the deck watching every thing is a no brainer.

Most of you are too young to remember the fight over the loss of the flight engineer and before that, navigators.

When the Air Force got INS, the navigators clung on for a few years for air drop missions. Most of the time they slept or did busy work.

Cabin service will be automated as well.
We’re not taking about shifting responsibility, you’re taking about removing the human desicion making. This isn’t about replacing a nav with a GPS. When GPS fails the nav responsibilities shift back to the pilots (which you’re advocating the removal of).

The USAF has been doing this for decades, thrown billions at it, they still have an abysmal safety record. For the record when one of them takes off or lands, there are hundreds of man hours in that loop to make that happen, not just two up front.

If you’re talking about going to a single pilot operation with a networked copilot... find me two networked computers that can’t be hacked.
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The USAF has been doing this for decades, thrown billions at it, they still have an abysmal safety record. For the record when one of them takes off or lands, there are hundreds of man hours in that loop to make that happen, not just two up front.

If you’re talking about going to a single pilot operation with a networked copilot... find me two networked computers that can’t be hacked.
The USAF has an abysmal safety record as compared to what? The Airlines? The other branches? If it’s the airlines the it’s not an apples to apples comparison. The closest to Airlines in the USAF is the C5. Otherwise there is the tactical forces doing night attacks in a contested environment is infinitely more dangerous than a EWR BOS turn or one leg from IAH to SIngapore.

If it’s the other branches I’m under the impression the USAF has a better safety record in part due to the corporate cultures differences on whether there are “allowable” losses.

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The USAF has an abysmal safety record as compared to what? The Airlines? The other branches? If it’s the airlines the it’s not an apples to apples comparison. The closest to Airlines in the USAF is the C5. Otherwise there is the tactical forces doing night attacks in a contested environment is infinitely more dangerous than a EWR BOS turn or one leg from IAH to SIngapore.

If it’s the other branches I’m under the impression the USAF has a better safety record in part due to the corporate cultures differences on whether there are “allowable” losses.
Not to put words in Grumble's mouth, but I'm pretty sure he was referring to drones, not manned aircraft. The benefits of single pilot transport airplanes are pretty minimal balanced against the risks. I'd guess less than a five percent cost benefit for a pretty big degradation in safety. When the AF decides to design a single pilot transport, we can get nervous, but nipping this legislative stupidity in the bud is still important.
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