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KonaJoe 05-28-2021 03:32 PM


Originally Posted by HuggyU2 (Post 3242326)
A bigger factor than "public trust in flying in a remotely piloted airplane"?

People are stupid. So, yeah.

CANEWT 05-29-2021 07:05 AM


Originally Posted by KonaJoe (Post 3242294)
Insurance companies will be a bigger limiting factor than anything else.

Excellent point.

Fr8Thrust 05-29-2021 10:40 PM


Originally Posted by drywhitetoast (Post 3242085)
While boarding passengers while the flight deck door is open? You must be a freight dog.

or works for another airline. Not every passenger airline asks this of their pilots.

Rawhide51 05-30-2021 04:05 AM


Originally Posted by CleCapt (Post 3242061)
If you think anyone would get on a plane without a pilot, then you're crazy. The technology exists, but it won't happen. They can't even get a car to drive down a flat road without hitting someone. Won't happen in my lifetime, and probably not my grandkid's either.

We've been flying the Global Hawk for about 20 years, and that thing has a wingspan larger than the 737. How long before they start moving cargo like that? Unless you're 80 years old, I'm thinking in your lifetime, you will see freight dogs replaced, driverless/augmented cars, and some form of automated airborne personal transport in the next 25 years, if not sooner.

CleCapt 05-30-2021 06:02 AM


Originally Posted by Rawhide51 (Post 3242937)
We've been flying the Global Hawk for about 20 years, and that thing has a wingspan larger than the 737. How long before they start moving cargo like that? Unless you're 80 years old, I'm thinking in your lifetime, you will see freight dogs replaced, driverless/augmented cars, and some form of automated airborne personal transport in the next 25 years, if not sooner.


The discussion was about moving people. In that context, it will not happen in my lifetime, and I'm no where near retirement.

For all the reasons mentioned in this post, no matter what the price of the ticket, people will not get on a pilotless plane, passengers are not that stupid. Consider the variables that may or may not exist on current drones. Snow storms, Slick taxi ways, slick high speed turn offs, short runways (SNA,LGA,DCA) Deicing, and the thousands of variables that pilots take into consideration every day.

We agree to disagree.

AxlF16 05-30-2021 06:24 AM


Originally Posted by Rawhide51 (Post 3242937)
We've been flying the Global Hawk for about 20 years, and that thing has a wingspan larger than the 737. How long before they start moving cargo like that? Unless you're 80 years old, I'm thinking in your lifetime, you will see freight dogs replaced, driverless/augmented cars, and some form of automated airborne personal transport in the next 25 years, if not sooner.

It's been a while since I worked with GH, but I recall several limitations that made me question the viability of GH or Predator/Reaper type ops in the commercial sector.

It's possible that they have been adequately remediated, but I honestly doubt it.

Gone Flying 05-30-2021 07:40 AM


Originally Posted by Rawhide51 (Post 3242937)
We've been flying the Global Hawk for about 20 years, and that thing has a wingspan larger than the 737. How long before they start moving cargo like that? Unless you're 80 years old, I'm thinking in your lifetime, you will see freight dogs replaced, driverless/augmented cars, and some form of automated airborne personal transport in the next 25 years, if not sooner.

um…https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran...Q-170_incident

As long as this is a threat, I don’t see pilotless commercial transport

Larry in TN 05-30-2021 07:45 AM


Originally Posted by Rawhide51 (Post 3242937)
We've been flying the Global Hawk for about 20 years, and that thing has a wingspan larger than the 737.

How does the accident rate of the GH compare to the accident rate of part 121 airlines?

Allegheny 05-30-2021 08:01 AM

Of all the aircraft to pick why pick a King Air? After retiring from the airlines, and after spending 10 years on the Bus, I got rated in the King Air 300. I had flown an earlier version King Air in the early 1980's. The truly sad thing is how much alike they were. 12 anti / deicing switches, a B-29 pressurization controller that required technique to operate properly. A Byzantine electrical system with current limiters, hall effect devices, and an overall weird buss configuration.

I would think it would be much simpler to remote control a much more automated platform. To me flying a King Air 300 single pilot would be a very high work load, much higher than a lite jet. Yes computers are great and really skilled at doing things but this computerized flight control system will be a one-armed paper hanger just to operate the aircraft systems efficiently. Operating single engine or with a significant degradation in electrical power will be a challenge.

That's my $.02

Airhoss 05-30-2021 08:37 AM


Originally Posted by Allegheny (Post 3243049)
Of all the aircraft to pick why pick a King Air? After retiring from the airlines, and after spending 10 years on the Bus, I got rated in the King Air 300. I had flown an earlier version King Air in the early 1980's. The truly sad thing is how much alike they were. 12 anti / deicing switches, a B-29 pressurization controller that required technique to operate properly. A Byzantine electrical system with current limiters, hall effect devices, and an overall weird buss configuration.

I would think it would be much simpler to remote control a much more automated platform. To me flying a King Air 300 single pilot would be a very high work load, much higher than a lite jet. Yes computers are great and really skilled at doing things but this computerized flight control system will be a one-armed paper hanger just to operate the aircraft systems efficiently. Operating single engine or with a significant degradation in electrical power will be a challenge.

That's my $.02

Most likely because it was the cheapest POS they could get a hold of and will make a non marketable prototype that will commercially fail. Like most GA ventures, it’s going to get some press then will quietly disappear.


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