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When the first ACTUAL driverless Taxi Cab is in operation in an actual city, when the first driverless Bus is running from city to city, when we see driverless trucks on the highway-
Only THEN is the possibility of a pilotless transport a reality. Sure, for point A to B you could "fly" a pilotless vehicle. They do it now- they are called Drones. But those drones are very specific and limited to where and what they can do. It will take new aircraft from Boeing & Airbus. Clean sheet aircraft with built in, hardened systems. Boeing can't even get a 50+ yr old airplane right.. they can't build a 756 replacement.. we are decades from when the first true Cargo Flight happens over populated free world with no one in the pilot seat. Interestingly enough, it was back in the late teens (2017-2019) that people and certain industries were touting that we would have pizza and amazon deliveries by drones in 2020. Hmmm.... Motch FS, FP & FtC |
232 would have been a crater in Eastern Iowa with no survivors if there hadn’t been four exceptional pilots working together up there.
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Originally Posted by horrido27
(Post 3243968)
When the first ACTUAL driverless Taxi Cab is in operation in an actual city, when the first driverless Bus is running from city to city, when we see driverless trucks on the highway-
Only THEN is the possibility of a pilotless transport a reality. Sure, for point A to B you could "fly" a pilotless vehicle. They do it now- they are called Drones. But those drones are very specific and limited to where and what they can do. It will take new aircraft from Boeing & Airbus. Clean sheet aircraft with built in, hardened systems. Boeing can't even get a 50+ yr old airplane right.. they can't build a 756 replacement.. we are decades from when the first true Cargo Flight happens over populated free world with no one in the pilot seat. Interestingly enough, it was back in the late teens (2017-2019) that people and certain industries were touting that we would have pizza and amazon deliveries by drones in 2020. Hmmm.... Motch FS, FP & FtC |
Originally Posted by AxlF16
(Post 3244013)
And that clean sheet aircraft will be designed using the people and processes that brought us the 737 Max.
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Originally Posted by horrido27
(Post 3243968)
When the first ACTUAL driverless Taxi Cab is in operation in an actual city, when the first driverless Bus is running from city to city, when we see driverless trucks on the highway-
Only THEN is the possibility of a pilotless transport a reality. Sure, for point A to B you could "fly" a pilotless vehicle. They do it now- they are called Drones. But those drones are very specific and limited to where and what they can do. It will take new aircraft from Boeing & Airbus. Clean sheet aircraft with built in, hardened systems. Boeing can't even get a 50+ yr old airplane right.. they can't build a 756 replacement.. we are decades from when the first true Cargo Flight happens over populated free world with no one in the pilot seat. Interestingly enough, it was back in the late teens (2017-2019) that people and certain industries were touting that we would have pizza and amazon deliveries by drones in 2020. Hmmm.... Motch FS, FP & FtC Hope all is well. While I have some background knowledge on such a concept, I really can’t go into it. Suffice it to say not only would the aircraft have to be firewalled but the data link comm and the operations center managing the aircraft. The RQ4 reference in an earlier post demonstrates that very point. DARPA commander told me in 1995 the U-2 would be retired by the year 2000….. The UCAV would replace manned fighters….. Not. We are not even close and agree there will have to be simpler demonstrations of success such as autonomous taxis well before the dynamic three dimensional world of aviation is considered plausible much less viable. |
Originally Posted by AxlF16
(Post 3244013)
And that clean sheet aircraft will be designed using the people and processes that brought us the 737 Max.
Ain't that the truth... Interesting read about the issues they (Boeing) are now having with the 787's in one of the recent AW&ST. We are WAYS from this happening... though not around the corner- probably somewhere on the distant horizon.
Originally Posted by LeeFXDWG
(Post 3244043)
Motch
Hope all is well. While I have some background knowledge on such a concept, I really can’t go into it. Suffice it to say not only would the aircraft have to be firewalled but the data link comm and the operations center managing the aircraft. The RQ4 reference in an earlier post demonstrates that very point. DARPA commander told me in 1995 the U-2 would be retired by the year 2000….. The UCAV would replace manned fighters….. Not. We are not even close and agree there will have to be simpler demonstrations of success such as autonomous taxis well before the dynamic three dimensional world of aviation is considered plausible much less viable. All good here, thanks for asking (and PM sent). Every time I fly, I realize how important a human being is in the cockpit. No matter WHAT they try to do to stream line the operations, the "unknowns" continue to crop up. Oh, and going into MCO the other evening we got 4 runway changes in a 10 minute timeframe. We stuck with the 3rd one but you have to wonder how a computer/AI would have handled that?! FS, FP & FtC Always Motch |
Originally Posted by horrido27
(Post 3244083)
Oh, and going into MCO the other evening we got 4 runway changes in a 10 minute timeframe. We stuck with the 3rd one but you have to wonder how a computer/AI would have handled that?!
FS, FP & FtC Always Motch |
Originally Posted by horrido27
(Post 3244083)
INTERNET Win of the Day!
Ain't that the truth... Interesting read about the issues they (Boeing) are now having with the 787's in one of the recent AW&ST. We are WAYS from this happening... though not around the corner- probably somewhere on the distant horizon. Amen. All good here, thanks for asking (and PM sent). Every time I fly, I realize how important a human being is in the cockpit. No matter WHAT they try to do to stream line the operations, the "unknowns" continue to crop up. Oh, and going into MCO the other evening we got 4 runway changes in a 10 minute timeframe. We stuck with the 3rd one but you have to wonder how a computer/AI would have handled that?! FS, FP & FtC Always Motch |
Originally Posted by horrido27
(Post 3244083)
INTERNET Win of the Day!
Ain't that the truth... Interesting read about the issues they (Boeing) are now having with the 787's in one of the recent AW&ST. We are WAYS from this happening... though not around the corner- probably somewhere on the distant horizon. Amen. All good here, thanks for asking (and PM sent). Every time I fly, I realize how important a human being is in the cockpit. No matter WHAT they try to do to stream line the operations, the "unknowns" continue to crop up. Oh, and going into MCO the other evening we got 4 runway changes in a 10 minute timeframe. We stuck with the 3rd one but you have to wonder how a computer/AI would have handled that?! FS, FP & FtC Always Motch Think about it. China decides to build a cargo freighter. Amazon decides to buy it. Will anyone care if a 767 sized drone is flying rubber dog crap from mainland China across the Pacific Ocean? XMN to ANC and back. Once that thing has upset the marketplace, just like other disrupters (i.e. Tesla, Amazon, Apple, etc) it will be game on. Even if the FAA says no to ANC, Canada or Mexico would be happy for jobs unloading that thing on a regular basis. Nobody is going to tell me that Mexico would say no for 'safety' concerns. |
Originally Posted by Rawhide51
(Post 3244130)
The way I see it, it would be remotely piloted. So in the terminal area, you would have a man in the loop, albeit with a slight time delay. A computer/AI would be the follow on spiral, if you will.
So it is one human pilot on the ground for one airplane? or are they controlling numerous aircraft? What happens when ma and pa kettle pull the chute on their cirrus and inadvertently shut down that airport? Do all these AI/Computer controlled aircraft scatter to other locations with a pilot on the ground there? This is a Pandora's Box of unexpected issues as one issue happens..
Originally Posted by Rawhide51
(Post 3244130)
Think about it. China decides to build a cargo freighter. Amazon decides to buy it. Will anyone care if a 767 sized drone is flying rubber dog crap from mainland China across the Pacific Ocean? XMN to ANC and back. Once that thing has upset the marketplace, just like other disrupters (i.e. Tesla, Amazon, Apple, etc) it will be game on. Even if the FAA says no to ANC, Canada or Mexico would be happy for jobs unloading that thing on a regular basis. Nobody is going to tell me that Mexico would say no for 'safety' concerns.
All I have to do is look at what has happened at COMAC and ACAC to realize that what you envision is far from reality. And I also think the residence of the airspace around ANC will also have something to say. IF the Chinese develop such an aircraft as you mention, I would expect them to fly it within their own airspace before sending it over the Pacific. Lets have this same discussion in 10 years and see where the world, China and the US has gone with regards to this.. Motch |
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