Google and the removal of the pilot.
#21
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The discussion was about moving people. In that context, it will not happen in my lifetime, and I'm no where near retirement.
For all the reasons mentioned in this post, no matter what the price of the ticket, people will not get on a pilotless plane, passengers are not that stupid. Consider the variables that may or may not exist on current drones. Snow storms, Slick taxi ways, slick high speed turn offs, short runways (SNA,LGA,DCA) Deicing, and the thousands of variables that pilots take into consideration every day.
We agree to disagree.
For all the reasons mentioned in this post, no matter what the price of the ticket, people will not get on a pilotless plane, passengers are not that stupid. Consider the variables that may or may not exist on current drones. Snow storms, Slick taxi ways, slick high speed turn offs, short runways (SNA,LGA,DCA) Deicing, and the thousands of variables that pilots take into consideration every day.
We agree to disagree.
That's probably what the guy that drove the elevator back in the day said, as well as the trolley driver. How many of our customers blindly get on a train/people mover at the airport and don't give a crap that there is no one driving it? (LAS/EWR/TPA just to name a few examples)
Once they figure out that you can control a few large cargo transports across the ocean with a few guys in a trailer park, how long will Jeff Bezos wait? That's definitely cheaper than paying a few thousand freight dogs.
Cargo will fall first, while 121 drops its crew requirement down to 1 pilot because of the 'shortage' we will experience. Think about it. Before a worldwide pandemic even ended, two idiots decided now would be a great time to start another domestic airline. One even tried to get free labor by announcing flight attendants would only be for college interns.
The point of the article is that technology is coming for your job. You can ignore it, invest in it, or call your congressman. Telling me that we disagree is just winding the clock.
#22
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I have 15 years left. While I believe that someday we will see autonomous airliners, I believe it will take longer to get there than many people think.
Maybe, just maybe I'll see single pilot cargo in my career. Will the tech be available? Sure. Will it make it through the approval process in the next 15-20 years? I doubt it.
Worth less than $.02
Maybe, just maybe I'll see single pilot cargo in my career. Will the tech be available? Sure. Will it make it through the approval process in the next 15-20 years? I doubt it.
Worth less than $.02
#23
Originally Posted by Fr8Thrust;[url=tel:3242912
3242912[/url]]or works for another airline. Not every passenger airline asks this of their pilots.
#24
Originally Posted by KonaJoe;[url=tel:3242294
3242294[/url]]Insurance companies will be a bigger limiting factor than anything else.
#25
Pilotless planes won't happen for a very long time. It will come down to cost. A pilot will be cheaper than designing in sufficient system redundancy for pilotless planes. It will also be heavier, all those systems, a pilot, relatively speaking is pretty light.
All that tech comes at a cost, and at least for the forseable future, pilots will be cheaper. IF one tries, you also have to account for the additional certification costs that the FAA will certainly require.
I don't believe you can efficiently retrofit a current design, so it will have to be a clean sheet design with all the systems integrated. Boeing can't get a new design done in less than 15 years now. How long do you think it will take the FAA to come up with regulations to cover a commercial-passenger clean sheet design?
All that tech comes at a cost, and at least for the forseable future, pilots will be cheaper. IF one tries, you also have to account for the additional certification costs that the FAA will certainly require.
I don't believe you can efficiently retrofit a current design, so it will have to be a clean sheet design with all the systems integrated. Boeing can't get a new design done in less than 15 years now. How long do you think it will take the FAA to come up with regulations to cover a commercial-passenger clean sheet design?
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After retiring from the airlines, and after spending 10 years on the Bus, I got rated in the King Air 300. I had flown an earlier version King Air in the early 1980's. The truly sad thing is how much alike they were. 12 anti / deicing switches, a B-29 pressurization controller that required technique to operate properly. A Byzantine electrical system with current limiters, hall effect devices, and an overall weird buss configuration.
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#28
Comparing automated light rail or other fixed track systems with remotely piloted aircraft is not even a valid comparison.
Just one mishap where passengers are fatally injured and trust in the system will crumble.
How would that Quantas A380 have faired if it were remotely piloted? My knowledge of the incident is that it took all three pilots, each working separate critical action items, to save that plane. I don’t see it happening anytime in near future.
Just one mishap where passengers are fatally injured and trust in the system will crumble.
How would that Quantas A380 have faired if it were remotely piloted? My knowledge of the incident is that it took all three pilots, each working separate critical action items, to save that plane. I don’t see it happening anytime in near future.
#29
Comparing automated light rail or other fixed track systems with remotely piloted aircraft is not even a valid comparison.
Just one mishap where passengers are fatally injured and trust in the system will crumble.
How would that Quantas A380 have faired if it were remotely piloted? My knowledge of the incident is that it took all three pilots, each working separate critical action items, to save that plane. I don’t see it happening anytime in near future.
Just one mishap where passengers are fatally injured and trust in the system will crumble.
How would that Quantas A380 have faired if it were remotely piloted? My knowledge of the incident is that it took all three pilots, each working separate critical action items, to save that plane. I don’t see it happening anytime in near future.