Single pilot operation
08-07-2021, 06:21 PM
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Single pilot operation
It's unlikely until it's here.
Long range cruise for now with two total pilots on the crew taking turns in the bunk.
What do you all think, 2026-ish?
https://youtu.be/uafWhCv-Xd4
Long range cruise for now with two total pilots on the crew taking turns in the bunk.
What do you all think, 2026-ish?
https://youtu.be/uafWhCv-Xd4
08-07-2021, 08:42 PM
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Actually think that commercial long haul pilots are probably ready for this, today (but they won’t like it).
Left unaddressed is the “apprenticeship “ aspect of the two pilot cockpit. You learn a great deal from the old salts, in ways that can’t be distilled into a 5 minute training video with a paid actor/actress reading a script.
Left unaddressed is the “apprenticeship “ aspect of the two pilot cockpit. You learn a great deal from the old salts, in ways that can’t be distilled into a 5 minute training video with a paid actor/actress reading a script.
08-08-2021, 03:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Lifeisgood
It's unlikely until it's here.
Long range cruise for now with two total pilots on the crew taking turns in the bunk.
What do you all think, 2026-ish?
https://youtu.be/uafWhCv-Xd4
Long range cruise for now with two total pilots on the crew taking turns in the bunk.
What do you all think, 2026-ish?
https://youtu.be/uafWhCv-Xd4
08-08-2021, 07:27 AM
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There would have to be regulatory changes at the FAA and ICAO level for this to occur.
After MS990, MH370 and 4U9525, and in an increasingly liability-sensitive world, which regulator is going to approve that in the next five years?
After MS990, MH370 and 4U9525, and in an increasingly liability-sensitive world, which regulator is going to approve that in the next five years?
08-08-2021, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
There would have to be regulatory changes at the FAA and ICAO level for this to occur.
After MS990, MH370 and 4U9525, and in an increasingly liability-sensitive world, which regulator is going to approve that in the next five years?
After MS990, MH370 and 4U9525, and in an increasingly liability-sensitive world, which regulator is going to approve that in the next five years?
Therein lies the crux of the matter. We know they'd never state anything publicly, but it would be interesting to be a fly on the wall in the Lloyds of London boardroom as they contemplate this potential eventuality.
08-08-2021, 08:28 AM
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Safety is already the best it’s ever been, in any transportation system ever devised by humans.
What exactly is single pilot ops trying to solve?
Besides, after a few high profile crashes that would have been a non-event had two pilots been in the cockpit, we will be right back to two-pilot ops.
Not losing sleep over this.
What exactly is single pilot ops trying to solve?
Besides, after a few high profile crashes that would have been a non-event had two pilots been in the cockpit, we will be right back to two-pilot ops.
Not losing sleep over this.
08-08-2021, 01:00 PM
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The driver is money.
What is really saved by eliminating the pilots?
Peanuts.
Your ticket is $870. Do you want to save
$31 by eliminating the pilots?
Bottom line is we cost less than checking a bag.
No software will ever be able to handle every mechanical problem.
Better to eliminate executives. Lassie could do a better job than Doug Parker.
What is really saved by eliminating the pilots?
Peanuts.
Your ticket is $870. Do you want to save
$31 by eliminating the pilots?
Bottom line is we cost less than checking a bag.
No software will ever be able to handle every mechanical problem.
Better to eliminate executives. Lassie could do a better job than Doug Parker.
08-08-2021, 01:19 PM
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Don’t need to handle every issue. That’s what the single pilot is for. Single pilot cruise ops is coming soon. Complete single pilot ops, from push to taxi in, will require a clean sheet airplane. I’ll be curious as to see what Boeing’s next airplane looks like. I’ll bet it will have single pilot ops capability (gear reachable from both seats, etc).
I also bet flight engineers and navigators once said a computer could never do their complex job.
I also bet flight engineers and navigators once said a computer could never do their complex job.
08-08-2021, 02:53 PM
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I also bet flight engineers and navigators once said a computer could never do their complex job.[/QUOTE]
There’s an episode of twilight zone from 1961. There’s 5 guys in the cockpit on a flight over the Atlantic - I guess there used to be a radio operator also.
There’s an episode of twilight zone from 1961. There’s 5 guys in the cockpit on a flight over the Atlantic - I guess there used to be a radio operator also.
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